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11-10-2007, 05:39 PM
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This is a colossal mess of ministry....selfishness and pride... it can only result in more chaos and splintered lives....
I think the backlash from the people (saints) will be greater than what some of these men have thought out...
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11-10-2007, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher
There is nothing "illegal" if the men who put the meeting together are no longer in the UPC (which I know for a fact some of them will not be). They are not bound by the manual.
Furthermore, if they are not "preaching" for a non-UPC pastor in the area, there is nothing in the manual that requires notifying the presbyter, DS, or anyone else. When the National Youth Division brought a meeting to Kansas a few years ago, no one contacted me (I was DS then) OR the presbyter about it. In fact, they didn't even ask the local pastor. They just did it.
Complaining about this meetings seems like a double standard in my opinion.
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We have to remember that the Tulsa Meeting was born out of rebellion! 
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11-10-2007, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SecretWarrior
This is a colossal mess of ministry....selfishness and pride... it can only result in more chaos and splintered lives....
I think the backlash from the people (saints) will be greater than what some of these men have thought out...
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Nah, saints won't even have a clue. In terms of fellowship, the UPC aint what it was 20 years ago when people would drive 2 hours just to go to a rally or fellowship, and Camp meeting was a time of bonding for the entire district. Not anymore. Some of these things don't even exist nowadays.
Churches today are autonomous, and pastors like it that way. They have more control (not a negative thing), and they also can shield the saints whom they shed blood sweat and tears over from bureaucracy and silly things that just might trip them up. We aren't even encouraged to attend youth congress and general conference nor are they even announced like they once were.
The UPC is a much different organization than it used to be.
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11-10-2007, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher
There is nothing "illegal" if the men who put the meeting together are no longer in the UPC (which I know for a fact some of them will not be). They are not bound by the manual.
Furthermore, if they are not "preaching" for a non-UPC pastor in the area, there is nothing in the manual that requires notifying the presbyter, DS, or anyone else. When the National Youth Division brought a meeting to Kansas a few years ago, no one contacted me (I was DS then) OR the presbyter about it. In fact, they didn't even ask the local pastor. They just did it.
Complaining about this meetings seems like a double standard in my opinion.
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Your axe has been getting sharpened a lot lately...
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11-10-2007, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Carpenter
Nah, saints won't even have a clue. In terms of fellowship, the UPC aint what it was 20 years ago when people would drive 2 hours just to go to a rally or fellowship, and Camp meeting was a time of bonding for the entire district. Not anymore. Some of these things don't even exist nowadays.
Churches today are autonomous, and pastors like it that way. They have more control (not a negative thing), and they also can shield the saints whom they shed blood sweat and tears over from bureaucracy and silly things that just might trip them up. We aren't even encouraged to attend youth congress and general conference nor are they even announced like they once were.
The UPC is a much different organization than it used to be.
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What do you think your Pastor will do?
Is he going to the Tulsa Meeting?
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11-10-2007, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher
There is nothing "illegal" if the men who put the meeting together are no longer in the UPC (which I know for a fact some of them will not be). They are not bound by the manual.
Furthermore, if they are not "preaching" for a non-UPC pastor in the area, there is nothing in the manual that requires notifying the presbyter, DS, or anyone else. When the National Youth Division brought a meeting to Kansas a few years ago, no one contacted me (I was DS then) OR the presbyter about it. In fact, they didn't even ask the local pastor. They just did it.
Complaining about this meetings seems like a double standard in my opinion.
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I couldn't care less about the meeting in Tulsa, just mentioning what I know from a Mo. Bro...
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11-10-2007, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Carpenter
Nah, saints won't even have a clue. In terms of fellowship, the UPC aint what it was 20 years ago when people would drive 2 hours just to go to a rally or fellowship, and Camp meeting was a time of bonding for the entire district. Not anymore. Some of these things don't even exist nowadays.
Churches today are autonomous, and pastors like it that way. They have more control (not a negative thing), and they also can shield the saints whom they shed blood sweat and tears over from bureaucracy and silly things that just might trip them up. We aren't even encouraged to attend youth congress and general conference nor are they even announced like they once were.
The UPC is a much different organization than it used to be.
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Don't sell those folks short...some have a rich history in Pentecost that goes beyond who their current pastor is...
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11-10-2007, 05:51 PM
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Nonsense. I don't believe that for a minute. People were also saying we were going to "throw our cards on the platform and stomp out." None of that happened, either.
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Sir... I was there... I know what happened and what didn't... Whatever it is that you don't believe for a minute and think is nonsense, I don't know...
Are you doubting I was told that or doubting it would have happened?
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11-10-2007, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SecretWarrior
What do you think your Pastor will do?
Is he going to the Tulsa Meeting?
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I have absolutely no clue and that is the point. I kind of wish he would go and join the band, however, he has more to lose by doing that.
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11-10-2007, 06:04 PM
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Don't sell those folks short...some have a rich history in Pentecost that goes beyond who their current pastor is...
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Sure... SOME being the key point. How many people in a church of 200 is SOME? 10 or .5%? I would say even less than that know or care.
Most garden variety saints are more concerned about what and only what is going on in their local assembly. I bet more than SOME folks don't even know there are other UPC churches in their cities!
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