Sandra, there are a few things that I think are very important doctrinally speaking.
I personally am Water/Spirit in doctrine but I see that there should be room for fellowship and a common spirit of unity and working together between those who are PCI in doctrine and those that are W/S.
Where Holiness is concerned, I believe we all should preach Holiness because it is VERY biblical. That doesnt mean I believe we should all have traditional Holiness Standards as taught by the UPCI and the conservitives over the last 40 years.
I am with TFT, we need room in our movement for a wider understanding of what it is to be Apostolic.
That doesnt mean we give up the bedrock. Oneness is what we are. period. teachings like Braziers on eternal salvation and some other things that have led to serious carnality issues is very troubling.
I have heard reports from PAW people that there is rampant moral issues as well. This stems from teaching! THIS is what I am talking about Sandra. Not some extremely narrow interpretation of what it means to be Apostolic.
I have read that Brazier came from the Universal Church of Christ and was educated at Moody. So there may be some influence in there from those places.
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Be careful that the "wide gate" doesn't get mistaken for this "wide understanding".......
the goal as far as i am concerned is not to get wide open and turn into something else (see my arguement here in this thread about the PAW). The goal is returning ONLY to what the UPCI has been historically.
No wider than what it was in 1945. but certainly wider than what we have become.
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I think Bishop David Ellis (the Father now deceased) would slap the stupid out of the boy if he could. He was a STRONG oneness, Jesus Name baptism preacher. In fact, he was a great preacher who loved truth. I don't know much about the son except that I've heard him make some VERY compromised statements about his 'beliefs'.
Funny, I am sure if this was the mid 80's when Bishop (David) Ellis was around this comment would be different. Growing up in Detroit Greater Grace (Ellis' church) is where you went when you wanted some "slack"....on whatever. So I guess opinions change based on the reference. If chucky seems less stringent ok, I dont know, I tend to go to his brothers church when I am in MI, but to say David Ellis was some strong "standard keeper"....yeah, thats funny.
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Funny, I am sure if this was the mid 80's when Bishop (David) Ellis was around this comment would be different. Growing up in Detroit Greater Grace (Ellis' church) is where you went when you wanted some "slack"....on whatever. So I guess opinions change based on the reference. If chucky seems less stringent ok, I dont know, I tend to go to his brothers church when I am in MI, but to say David Ellis was some strong "standard keeper"....yeah, thats funny.
Mercy, neither Steadfast nor I have been talking about standards. Doctrine is the thing.
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Mercy, neither Steadfast nor I have been talking about standards. Doctrine is the thing.
So how can you say he had such "sound doctrine" if so much could go on in his church? If your not teaching anything then what's the point. If the doctrine was sound then the conviction for the life styles people when there to live would be present too.
The statement just gave me a flash back of driving PAST GG every Sunday and of the people that left our church to go there cuz they wanted to do stuff that was not allowed where my mom had us.
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