JOEL OSTEEN interviewed on CBS last night

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by bishoph

While I understand where you are coming from, I disagree somewhat. It is the good news of the Gospel that reveals the disparity of mankind. The preaching of Christ (Good News) is what brings an individual to the realization of their need for him. My assertion that doctrine is not to be preached comes from two things. First the absence of of any command to preach "doctrine" in scripture while their are repeated commands to preach the Gospel. Secondly at least 2/3 of the references to preaching in the NT either directly or indirectly have to do with the Gospel.

I also would challenge you to show me where the Apostle preached anything other than the Gospel. The epistles were letters of instruction (teaching) not sermons preached.

Overall I think you may have missed the whole point of my post which is balance. A church with no doctrine will be a worldly carnal church, and a church with only doctrine will be dry, dead, and legalistic.

Peter, in Acts 2, Peter boldly accused his listeners of killing Christ. BTW, why did Peter have them to repent????? Of what? Without a knowledge of sin repentance is meaningless. What did he use for Scripture? The Old Testament?

As far as to your challenge you yourself assert that only 2/3rds of the preaching in the NT has to do with the gospel. What about the other third???

Trust me. It is apparent that the majority that post here don't have much knowledge of basic doctrine.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I believe you. I heard the president of the Southern Baptist Convention say something similar to this one service.

wow! even the southern Baptist are saying that ???

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Peter, in Acts 2, Peter boldly accused his listeners of killing Christ. BTW, why did Peter have them to repent????? Of what? Without a knowledge of sin repentance is meaningless. What did he use for Scripture? The Old Testament?
The preaching of the Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and that application in the life of the hearers. Therefore revealing sin as exceeding sinful and presenting the answer to sin is the Gospel.

As far as to your challenge you yourself assert that only 2/3rds of the preaching in the NT has to do with the gospel. What about the other third???

The remaining references mainly refer to preaching the "word" and does not clarify what that constituted.

Trust me. It is apparent that the majority that post here don't have much knowledge of basic doctrine.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that there seems to be either a willful ignorance of sound doctrine by some on this forum, or a lack of foundation from those that have taught them. Either way it is sad.

[ReformedDave]

Bishoph, you said:"The preaching of the Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and that application in the life of the hearers. Therefore revealing sin as exceeding sinful and presenting the answer to sin is the Gospel."

I concur and agree. I remember a minister telling a story about being out in public and being asked by a new convert "Are you saved?" The minister replied "Saved from what?" and the young Christian couldn't respond.

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Thad

wow! even the southern Baptist are saying that ???

Yep, I was there when he said it. He is different than JO though because he preaches about hell and what will send folks to hell. He doesn't sugar coat any sin. He is the Baptist pastor of the church that made the movie "Facing the Giants." He was just recently elected the president of the Southern Baptist Convention.

[Truly Blessed]

I am all for preaching that lifts people up and encourages them to not only believe in Jesus Christ, but also believe in themselves and their personal potential. However, as I watched the Larry King interview with the Osteens, I couldn't help but hear an Elder's remark to me a while ago saying, "We don't need you to tell us what is wrong with us. We need you to preach messages that make us feel good about ourselves."

I am convinced that we are living in the "itching ears" generation prophesied of in Scripture. Beware of those who only want to tell you what you desire to hear and not what you need to hear!

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

I am all for preaching that lifts people up and encourages them to not only believe in Jesus Christ, but also believe in themselves and their personal potential. However, as I watched the Larry King interview with the Osteens, I couldn't help but hear an Elder's remark to me a while ago saying, "We don't need you to tell us what is wrong with us. We need you to preach messages that make us feel good about ourselves."

I am convinced that we are living in the "itching ears" generation prophesied of in Scripture. Beware of those who only want to tell you what you desire to hear and not what you need to hear!

Amen!

[Thad]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

Yep, I was there when he said it. He is different than JO though because he preaches about hell and what will send folks to hell. He doesn't sugar coat any sin. He is the Baptist pastor of the church that made the movie "Facing the Giants." He was just recently elected the president of the Southern Baptist Convention.

I'm very aware that the southern Baptist are fundamentalist as far as preaching about a literal hell and sin, etc. Even Billy Graham preaches about it.

I think there is a balance. some are too seeker friendly now

[tamor]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

Yep, I was there when he said it. He is different than JO though because he preaches about hell and what will send folks to hell. He doesn't sugar coat any sin. He is the Baptist pastor of the church that made the movie "Facing the Giants." He was just recently elected the president of the Southern Baptist Convention.

That's the way my mom's pastor is. He is a fiesty little man and he preaches about sin and hell. He hits his folks hard, but with love.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by tamor

That's the way my mom's pastor is. He is a fiesty little man and he preaches about sin and hell. He hits his folks hard, but with love.

and what church background is that ?