Do you believe in modesty - Page 8

#71 07-17-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I just finished a couple of very in-depth classes for Cisco routers. (In case your not aware, these are the devices which make sure the packets of data from your computer reach another computer anywhere in the world.)

On thing we spent a lot of time on were the concept of Access Lists. These are a form of filter that the router uses to determine of one packet is allowed to pass through to its destination. This can be based on the IP or IP range of the originating packet, or the destination, or the port number, or other criteria. At the very end of the list there is an "implicit deny". Meaning, if the criteria is not met once the last rule in the list is compared, then the packet is thrown out, never to reach its destination.

When it comes to these various dress, jewelry, make-up, and modesty issues the final "implicit deny" is rebellion against the man of God. It is the catch all when no biblical or rational reason can be explained to proclaim something "wrong".

Don't follow the packet... be the packet!

RandyWayne · #72 07-17-2007, 06:12 PM

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Women who are pretty or well-endowed can only do so much and should not have to worry all the time about making men lust and sin. I think your words are a cop-out for poor lustful behaviors of men who are not in control of their eyes, heart, or their spirituality.

Actually, I was envisioning how one man would appear to another as I typed that, but to your point I was thinking in extremes.
A number of years ago I was working in a bank and there were not one, but two young girls (at the time I would guess they were 16 and 17) who were as thin as a stick and built like a... like a..... well, va-va-voom comes to mind. I guess being 5'2, 100 lbs soaking wet and a double D, while not impossible, is very rare.

They would ALWAYS dress in the most low cut loose fitting stuff imaginable and then come to MY counter. The other ladies I worked with (I was usually the only guy in the building) would laugh as I counted the tiles on the ceiling while they stood in front of me.
Once they left, I would usually make a remark about how "if 'I' had a daughter who looked like that she would be wearing a snowmobile suit all year!". Everyone would laugh then we would move on to the next customer.

Realistically, I don't expect women to go to such extreme lengths to cover any assets that God 'blessed' them with, but I do think there is SOME responsibility to not flaunt it. (And again, if she was my daughter you can guarantee that she would be receiving thick wool sweaters every birthday and Christmas.....)

Subdued · #73 07-17-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I've got it covered!

This garment is much too immodest! I see the outline of a LEG and KNEE! I think I even see an ARM!

Praxeas · #74 07-17-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Subdued

Does disagreeing with others' definition or description of "modesty" mean that the one disagreeing does not believe in modesty?

Nope and I never suggested it did.

Praxeas · #75 07-17-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shamgar1

There is no scriptural prohibition on jewelry and make-up, yet many Oneness Pentecostals have been taught these things are not only immodest - they are sinful. The reasons given for these prohibitions are varied: Vanity is probably the first, followed by an attempt to blend in to the world.

The truth is vanity presents itself in many forms to even the most conservative believer. Churches can exhibit vanity in their buildings, their programs, and their attempts to market themselves bigger and better than they really are. Christians can operate in a spirit of vanity through an arrogant superiority to the lost world around them.

To me, modesty is about much more than clothing. It is an attitude of the heart. If the heart has been circumcised, the fruit of the Spirit will evidence. One of the end results of the Spirit's work is a willingness to be SELF controlled. Galatians 5:22

This self-control is best defined as modesty in all things, including dress, presentation, attitude, and passions.

ok Dan this would be a classic example of a red herring. Now I am still hoping my questions will be addressed

Rhoni · #76 07-17-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Actually, I was envisioning how one man would appear to another as I typed that, but to your point I was thinking in extremes.
A number of years ago I was working in a bank and there were not one, but two young girls (at the time I would guess they were 16 and 17) who were as thin as a stick and built like a... like a..... well, va-va-voom comes to mind. I guess being 5'2, 100 lbs soaking wet and a double D, while not impossible, is very rare.

They would ALWAYS dress in the most low cut loose fitting stuff imaginable and then come to MY counter. The other ladies I worked with (I was usually the only guy in the building) would laugh as I counted the tiles on the ceiling while they stood in front of me.
Once they left, I would usually make a remark about how "if 'I' had a daughter who looked like that she would be wearing a snowmobile suit all year!". Everyone would laugh then we would move on to the next customer.

Realistically, I don't expect women to go to such extreme lengths to cover any assets that God 'blessed' them with, but I do think there is SOME responsibility to not flaunt it. (And again, if she was my daughter you can guarantee that she would be receiving thick wool sweaters every birthday and Christmas.....)

I agree! I also think you did the right thing by averting your eyes. Not all men are Godly enough to do that.

Blessings, Rhoni

Praxeas · #77 07-17-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I just finished a couple of very in-depth classes for Cisco routers. (In case your not aware, these are the devices which make sure the packets of data from your computer reach another computer anywhere in the world.)

On thing we spent a lot of time on were the concept of Access Lists. These are a form of filter that the router uses to determine of one packet is allowed to pass through to its destination. This can be based on the IP or IP range of the originating packet, or the destination, or the port number, or other criteria. At the very end of the list there is an "implicit deny". Meaning, if the criteria is not met once the last rule in the list is compared, then the packet is thrown out, never to reach its destination.

When it comes to these various dress, jewelry, make-up, and modesty issues the final "implicit deny" is rebellion against the man of God. It is the catch all when no biblical or rational reason can be explained to proclaim something "wrong".

Hmmm..so when I have a lot of packets drop I can blame you and your "sicko" routers?

RandyWayne · #78 07-17-2007, 06:18 PM

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I agree! I also think you did the right thing by averting your eyes. Not all men are Godly enough to do that.

Well, I HOPE I averted them enough. I was probably more like Jerry Seinfeld when he told George "You don't stare at cleavage! You get a sense of it then look away!".

Praxeas · #79 07-17-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How tight and how much skin is showing.

well how tight can tight be and how much skin can be shown and how did you come to that determination?

Praxeas · #80 07-17-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Well, I HOPE I averted them enough. I was probably more like Jerry Seinfeld when he told George "You don't stare at cleavage! You get a sense of it then look away!".

Yup, some of us men have eyes like a Digital SLR camara. We just need one shot and it's stored in memory