The Beast Is Destroying the Whore

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

That's EXACTLY what I was asking for.

But notice the past tense: WAS asking. I am no longer PRESENT tense asking.

You bowed out of rational discussion earlier on with your "So now you believe in the spirit?" nonsense. Sorry, I cannot take you seriously.

Do what you feel Easias. I knew this was going to happen, that’s why I told him that. You dont want scripture, you dont want to further the conversation. This is the third time you shut down. And you have accused me of not using scripture, well I did. I’m willing to have a conversation, but thats not what you want.

If your going to get offended by what I said about the “spirit” jab, I mean I thought we were mature adults, we can put out the jokes but we cant handle them. Like I said do what you feel.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by consapente89

In Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead BODILY.

Bodily as in physically. Dwelleth as in dwells presently and continues to dwell. Written after the physical ascension of Jesus to the throne.

OK, Amanah and yourself both believe in the Human body of Jesus in heaven.

Colossians 2:1-10 KJVS
[1] For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;
[2] That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
[3] In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
[4] And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
[5] For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
[6] As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
[7] Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[10] And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


How where men trying to beguile the men at Colossians? Was Paul explaining to them about Jesus while he was on this Earth, or is Paul saying that Jesus is a human being right now in the heaven?

I believe Paul is teaching the church that all the fullness of God was in Jesus bodily. We use that verse to preach One God. Does that verse mean that Jesus is in Human bodily form right now?

If your going to take that scripture for face value and not align it with other scripture, then what do you do about these;

Exodus 15:3 KJVS
[3] The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.

God the Father was a MAN? God the Father was a human being???

Maybe the most famous one;

Exodus 33:13-23 KJVS
[13] Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.
[14] And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.
[15] And he said unto him, If thy presence go not with me, carry us not up hence.
[16] For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.
[17] And the Lord said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
[18] And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
[19] And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
[20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
[21] And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
[22] And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
[23] And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Who’s is Moses speaking with? Verse 21 says the LORD is speaking with Moses. So here is another scripture that stats God is a man. Verse 22 & 23 mention, hand, face, and back, and he was going to pass by so that means legs. So God is a fully Human Man!

So, if Jesus is in a Human Bodily Form, and God of the Old Covenant is a Man which BODY is in HEAVEN RIGHT NOW?

Consapente89, Amanah, and James34 if you guys would like to discuss, then please we can discuss. This is not about trying to get one over on you or me. If I’m wrong I’m humble enough to admit it.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by consapente89

In Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead BODILY.

Bodily as in physically. Dwelleth as in dwells presently and continues to dwell. Written after the physical ascension of Jesus to the throne.

[Amanah]

The mighty God is Jesus
The Prince of Peace is He
The everlasting Father
And the King eternally
Wonderful in wisdom
By whom all things were made
The fullness of the Godhead
In Jesus is displayed
It's all in Him, It's all in Him
The fullness of the Godhead is in Him
It's all in Him, It's all in him
The Mighty God is Jesus
It's all in Him
The Alpha and Omega
The beginning and the end
The Living Word incarnate
And the helpless sinner's friend
Our wisdom and perfection
Our righteousness and pow'r
All we need in Jesus
We find this very hour

[Freeindeed]

Originally Posted by Amanah

The mighty God is Jesus
The Prince of Peace is He
The everlasting Father
And the King eternally
Wonderful in wisdom
By whom all things were made
The fullness of the Godhead
In Jesus is displayed
It's all in Him, It's all in Him
The fullness of the Godhead is in Him
It's all in Him, It's all in him
The Mighty God is Jesus
It's all in Him
The Alpha and Omega
The beginning and the end
The Living Word incarnate
And the helpless sinner's friend
Our wisdom and perfection
Our righteousness and pow'r
All we need in Jesus
We find this very hour

I found myself singing the song while reading the lyrics. It brought back some good memories. I haven't heard it sang in many years.

The new contemporary songs just don't move me like the old songs. Maybe I'm getting old. Lol

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Freeindeed

I found myself singing the song while reading the lyrics. It brought back some good memories. I haven't heard it sang in many years.

The new contemporary songs just don't move me like the old songs. Maybe I'm getting old. Lol

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

The mighty God is Jesus
The Prince of Peace is He
The everlasting Father
And the King eternally
Wonderful in wisdom
By whom all things were made
The fullness of the Godhead
In Jesus is displayed
It's all in Him, It's all in Him
The fullness of the Godhead is in Him
It's all in Him, It's all in him
The Mighty God is Jesus
It's all in Him
The Alpha and Omega
The beginning and the end
The Living Word incarnate
And the helpless sinner's friend
Our wisdom and perfection
Our righteousness and pow'r
All we need in Jesus
We find this very hour

One our family's favorite song!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

OK, Amanah and yourself both believe in the Human body of Jesus in heaven.

Colossians 2:1-10 KJVS
[1] For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;
[2] That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
[3] In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
[4] And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
[5] For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
[6] As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
[7] Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[10] And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


How where men trying to beguile the men at Colossians? Was Paul explaining to them about Jesus while he was on this Earth, or is Paul saying that Jesus is a human being right now in the heaven?

I believe Paul is teaching the church that all the fullness of God was in Jesus bodily. We use that verse to preach One God. Does that verse mean that Jesus is in Human bodily form right now?

If your going to take that scripture for face value and not align it with other scripture, then what do you do about these;

Exodus 15:3 KJVS
[3] The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.

God the Father was a MAN? God the Father was a human being???

Maybe the most famous one;

Exodus 33:13-23 KJVS
[13] Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.
[14] And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.
[15] And he said unto him, If thy presence go not with me, carry us not up hence.
[16] For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.
[17] And the Lord said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
[18] And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
[19] And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
[20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
[21] And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
[22] And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
[23] And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Who’s is Moses speaking with? Verse 21 says the LORD is speaking with Moses. So here is another scripture that stats God is a man. Verse 22 & 23 mention, hand, face, and back, and he was going to pass by so that means legs. So God is a fully Human Man!

So, if Jesus is in a Human Bodily Form, and God of the Old Covenant is a Man which BODY is in HEAVEN RIGHT NOW?

Consapente89, Amanah, and James34 if you guys would like to discuss, then please we can discuss. This is not about trying to get one over on you or me. If I’m wrong I’m humble enough to admit it.

The difference is nobody ever thought Jehovah God was a mere human male. Yet everyone knows Jesus was indeed a human male. So referring to "the man Christ Jesus" is clearly a reference to Christ's human existence, whereas calling God "a man of war" in a POETIC SONG OF PRAISE immediately after a demonstration of Divine victory over the ARMIES of Egypt is CLEARLY a poetic description of God's warrior attributes.

Next thing you'll be telling us Jesus never was a man. smh

[Amanah]

God is a Spirit , John 4:24

Jesus is the image of the invisible God, who was manifest in the flesh

Luke 24:39 KJV
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by consapente89

In Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead BODILY.

Bodily as in physically. Dwelleth as in dwells presently and continues to dwell. Written after the physical ascension of Jesus to the throne.

You left out

WITHOUT CONTROVERSY