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Sean · #71 10-10-2017, 06:46 PM

Unrelated point.

Sean · #72 10-10-2017, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

Watch how you address God’s bride.

Catholics are God,s bride?

mfblume · #73 10-10-2017, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Peter wrote something interesting...

1 Peter 5:13
The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

Is there any way to connect this statement with Jerusalem or Judea?

Some claim that is indeed a reference to Jerusalem. It is not Rome, for Peter never was in Rome, despite the Catholics' insistence.

mfblume · #74 10-10-2017, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

We're currently in the heavenly Jerusalem now?

This place, with its wildfires, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornados, mass shootings, cancers, suicides, divorce, hatred, etc. THIS now is the heavenly Jerusalem?

No, ...the church.

Did you read the verse I cited?

Evang.Benincasa · #75 10-10-2017, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Some claim that is indeed a reference to Jerusalem. It is not Rome, for Peter never was in Rome, despite the Catholics' insistence.

Aquila · #76 10-11-2017, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Some claim that is indeed a reference to Jerusalem. It is not Rome, for Peter never was in Rome, despite the Catholics' insistence.

True. It couldn't be Rome. Peter was in the eldership of the Jerusalem church (he got caught up in the Judaizers there). So, it only makes sense that the reference to Babylon in Peter's Epistle was Jerusalem.

Aquila · #77 10-11-2017, 06:29 AM

So, in Preterism (Partial Preterism), is what we typically consider the "2nd Coming of Christ" (Parousia) viewed as being imminent? Or is there something/anything we should expect to take place first?

Aquila · #78 10-11-2017, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

We're currently in the heavenly Jerusalem now?

This place, with its wildfires, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornados, mass shootings, cancers, suicides, divorce, hatred, etc. THIS now is the heavenly Jerusalem?

Hmmm... here's the primary text for the Millennium...

Revelation 20:4-6 (ESV)
4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

Those who believe in a future Millennium see the First Resurrection as being the martyrs of the Tribulation period being raised from the dead to rule and reign with Christ for 1,000.

While I'm not sure of Preterism's position, this is what I gather...

Those who believe in Preterism believe that the "souls" of the martyrs were "raised to life", meaning that those Christians who were martyred by Rome and apostate Israel are raised from the dead (souls taken to Heaven). These rule and reign with Christ in Heaven for what is symbolically represented as a 1,000 years. This being raised from the grave and taken to Heaven is the "First Resurrection" (the second being literal, I assume). So, all the "blessedness" of the Millennial state is fulfilled... in Heaven as we speak.

To me, it seems strained.

mfblume · #79 10-11-2017, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

So, in Preterism (Partial Preterism), is what we typically consider the "2nd Coming of Christ" (Parousia) viewed as being imminent? Or is there something/anything we should expect to take place first?

It seems the gathering of nations against the church is all that stands between us and the second resurrection where we go to the white throne.

mfblume · #80 10-11-2017, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Hmmm... here's the primary text for the Millennium...

Revelation 20:4-6 (ESV)
4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

Those who believe in a future Millennium see the First Resurrection as being the martyrs of the Tribulation period being raised from the dead to rule and reign with Christ for 1,000.

While I'm not sure of Preterism's position, this is what I gather...

Those who believe in Preterism believe that the "souls" of the martyrs were "raised to life", meaning that those Christians who were martyred by Rome and apostate Israel are raised from the dead (souls taken to Heaven). These rule and reign with Christ in Heaven for what is symbolically represented as a 1,000 years. This being raised from the grave and taken to Heaven is the "First Resurrection" (the second being literal, I assume). So, all the "blessedness" of the Millennial state is fulfilled... in Heaven as we speak.

To me, it seems strained.

Here is our view.

There are those ruling in the beginning of the narrative. The only rulers we ever read about are the 24 elders on thrones. I believe this refers to the combination of the system of the twelve patriarchs and the 12 apostles.... old and new testament church.

The work of the cross bound the devil. AFTER people are mentioned who are ruling we THEN READ of martyrs. Beheading is the key. The bible interprets itself, so what beheading is most known in the bible? John the Baptist. He was a man who was greatest of all prophets before the cross and is grouped among Elijah and the rest. An Old Testament day saint. And these are raised to rule. John's beheading represents all the departed OLD Testament saints who were atoned for and made kings and priests like saved people living in earth are, according to Rev 1:5-6. Since the cross and atonement, old testament saints are in glory ruling. And the church in earth is also currently seated with Christ in heavenly places far above all names and powers in this and the future age.

This view takes all the statements made in the NT about Christ's dominion and our seating with Him and puts it in this prophecy.

The first resurrection is simply salvation by atonement. That affected both departed saints of old as well as living believers.

This encapsulates all the bible teachings about atonement, and stays within the texts of the bible rather than looking at current events in the newspapers.

It makes it a purely biblical interpretation. PURELY bible. I cannot stress that enough.