A Monumental Problem In America:

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

They aren't going to see it. They love their Southern heritage, and everything it has stood for... from the beginning.

Regionalism, heritage or ideology are incidental and really irrelevant to whether secession is legal or not. You and Jermyn keep labeling seceding States as "treasonous". Yet neither of you can find anything in the Constitution forbidding it.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

They won't admit it. They dream at night about the South risin' again.

Actually it will be allot more than the south this time. You can go live in the People's Republic of New England. Of course being white, you will have to check your privilege.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Jermyn, if you don't grasp the significance the 3/5 clause held in the mind of north, you miss the whole point of the conflict and will continue to believe the myth concerning "the expansion of slavery". Furthermore, until you can demonstrate clearly per the constitution that secession is treason, your argument falls flat.

"The US Constitution defines treason as levying war against the government and aiding and abetting its enemies. By that definition, every Confederate soldier in the Civil War—as well as every political leader—was a traitor."

http://www.futurity.org/civil-war-un...reason-725752/

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Jermyn, if you don't grasp the significance the 3/5 clause held in the mind of north, you miss the whole point of the conflict and will continue to believe the myth concerning "the expansion of slavery". Furthermore, until you can demonstrate clearly per the constitution that secession is treason, your argument falls flat.

From, "The Clever Way Jefferson Davis Avoided Being Convicted of Treason"


As a former US House and Senate member before the war, Confederate President Jefferson Davis had taken an oath of allegiance to support the Constitution of the United States.

Under the 14th Amendment, anyone who has taken such an oath and engaged in insurrection against the US cannot hold public office. According to Davis’s lawyers, that inability to hold public office under the 14th Amendment constituted punishment for his rebellious actions. To prosecute him for treason for the same rebellious actions would constitute double jeopardy under the 5th Amendment. Therefore, his lawyers argued, he could not be legally tried for treason.

http://knowledgenuts.com/2015/06/19/...ed-of-treason/

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

In the South.

Maryland.

Maryland? Are you kidding me? Baltimore?

Anyway, your summation of white-black relations does not match mine or my family's. I have family from up north, and down South. Your assessment is LITERALLY 180 degrees opposite to what I know both by personal experience and family history, on both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Jermyn, if you don't grasp the significance the 3/5 clause held in the mind of north, you miss the whole point of the conflict and will continue to believe the myth concerning "the expansion of slavery". Furthermore, until you can demonstrate clearly per the constitution that secession is treason, your argument falls flat.

President Andrew Johnson pardoned everyone who fought for the Confederacy on December 25, 1868, as long as they applied for the pardon. Although former officials of the Confederacy still couldn’t hold office or vote, they were now immune from prosecution for treason.

http://knowledgenuts.com/2015/06/19/...ed-of-treason/

Pardon is not necessary where there isn't a crime.

[Esaias]

EVERY patriot who supported the War of Independence was a traitor, then.

Long live the Queen! Tear down those monuments to treason, such as the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, and the Union itself!

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

JD - that is not what your side is saying. Show me a leader from your side that wants to stop with CSA statues.
Here is a link to a story about NYC thinking about taking down the Christopher Columbus statue.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nyc-may...lumbus-statue/
Your side wants to examine EVERY monument, statue, park, street, basically everything in the US and then THEY will determine if it needs to be removed.
Not the people voting, but THEY the supreme arbiters of all that is good and holy will bless it.
Give me a break.

reposted for JD.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Jermyn, if you don't grasp the significance the 3/5 clause held in the mind of north, you miss the whole point of the conflict and will continue to believe the myth concerning "the expansion of slavery". Furthermore, until you can demonstrate clearly per the constitution that secession is treason, your argument falls flat.

Facts, information and articles about Secession, one of the causes of the civil war
http://www.historynet.com/secession

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

"The US Constitution defines treason as levying war against the government and aiding and abetting its enemies. By that definition, every Confederate soldier in the Civil War—as well as every political leader—was a traitor."

http://www.futurity.org/civil-war-un...reason-725752/

That clause applies to citizens of the USA. The Confederate soldiers were not citizens of the USA as their States had withdrawn from that compact.