Canadian Healthcare the real story

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

It is Canadian healthcare. What you missed is the government does not cover all pre ex conditions, there are gaps in the coverage, which is why there is supplemental coverage available. However, even the supplemental coverage has exclusions.

Most gaps are due to income. They do expect you to purchase supplemental coverage if you can afford it. In other situations, some provinces are finding specific gaps that were created due to legislative language as they integrated more private insurers to the market (see, the private companies are already massing things up). However, their goal isn't to deny more coverage or to keep the gaps, but to find a way to provide more coverage and close the gaps.

Unlike the GOP's plan in the United States.

National Heather Care will be a work in progress for at least a couple decades. But, at least it's something.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Most gaps are due to income. They do expect you to purchase supplemental coverage if you can afford it. In other situations, some provinces are finding specific gaps that were created due to legislative language as they integrated more private insurers to the market (see, the private companies are already massing things up). However, their goal isn't to deny more coverage or to keep the gaps, but to find a way to provide more coverage and close the gaps.

Unlike the GOP's plan in the United States.

National Heather Care will be a work in progress for at least a couple decades. But, at least it's something.

And again, to be clear, the story you posted about the 30 year old who allegedly died because he didn't receive a colonoscopy -- the guy wouldn't have received one had he insurance, nor would he have received one in Canada. Sometimes people die. It's terrible. It's incredibly sad when they're young. But it happens and, in this case (as in many), healthcare (or lack thereof) is not to blame. The disease is to blame.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

And again, to be clear, the story you posted about the 30 year old who allegedly died because he didn't receive a colonoscopy -- the guy wouldn't have received one had he insurance, nor would he have received one in Canada.

Why would he not have received one in Canada? This is interesting because I'm about to bring this up on a Canadian forum. Most of the time, I discover that you guys are a bit off the mark when it comes to Canada and their system.

Sometimes people die. It's terrible. It's incredibly sad when they're young. But it happens and, in this case (as in many), healthcare (or lack thereof) is not to blame. The disease is to blame.

Ummm... you don't think that perhaps some changes need to be made to the system so that the next young person who needs a colonoscopy gets one?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Why would he not have received one in Canada? This is interesting because I'm about to bring this up on a Canadian forum. Most of the time, I discover that you guys are a bit off the mark when it comes to Canada and their system.

This is the Canadian healthcare guidelines.

Originally Posted by n david

Nope, nope, nope. At age 30 in Canada, you do NOT get a colonoscopy, free or otherwise.

Here's a LINK to their guidelines.

In fact, they don't recommend the use of a colonoscopy as a screening tool for colon cancer at all.

"""•We recommend not using colonoscopy as a screening test for CRC."""

Adults 60-74 may receive a colonoscopy, depending on family history.

"""•We recommend screening adults aged 60 to 74 for CRC with FOBT (either gFOBT or FIT) every two years OR flexible sigmoidoscopy every 10 years.
(Strong recommendation; moderate quality evidence)"""

So, while this dad may use his dead son as a political prop (like most libs use dead relatives), he would not have received a colonoscopy in the healthcare utopia of Canada either.

"""Canadian guidelines say colonoscopy should not be used for routine screening to detect colorectal cancer in patients with no symptoms or family history of the disease."""

"""The Canadian guideline is similar to the 2008 U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommendation that adults aged 50 to 75 should be screened for colorectal cancer using a fecal occult blood test or flexible sigmoidoscopy."""

http://globalnews.ca/news/2532426/ne...elines-issued/

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[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ummm... you don't think that perhaps some changes need to be made to the system so that the next young person who needs a colonoscopy gets one?

The point is the dad is angry and blaming US healthcare for his son's death. Cancer killed his son, not US healthcare. And those here claiming Canada is some utopia where everyone is covered for everything and fathers, sons, daughters and mothers would never die from any disease are sadly delusional.

Canadian healthcare excludes many services, including routine annual physicals, they don't recommend colonoscopies, and they don't cover prostate screening for cancer.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

The point is the dad is angry and blaming US healthcare for his son's death. Cancer killed his son, not US healthcare. And those here claiming Canada is some utopia where everyone is covered for everything and fathers, sons, daughters and mothers would never die from any disease are sadly delusional.

Canadian healthcare excludes many services, including routine annual physicals, they don't recommend colonoscopies, and they don't cover prostate screening for cancer.

I asked if it were true that this kid wouldn't have received the colonoscopies he needed in Canada. This is one answer I've gotten from a Canadian so far:

I would say it's a myth. The article Bart quoted doesn't say why the kid didn't get a colonoscopy, but testing isn't something usually denied. On the contrary, a recent study found we get a lot of unnecessary diagnostic tests.

I'd chalk that one up to 'myth'.

*Bart is a poster who posted the entire article for readers who didn't want to clink the link I provided. Eventually something definitive will come through.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I asked if it were true that this kid wouldn't have received the colonoscopies he needed in Canada. This is one answer I've gotten from a Canadian so far:

I would say it's a myth. The article Bart quoted doesn't say why the kid didn't get a colonoscopy, but testing isn't something usually denied. On the contrary, a recent study found we get a lot of unnecessary diagnostic tests.

I'd chalk that one up to 'myth'.

*Bart is a poster who posted the entire article for readers who didn't want to clink the link I provided. Eventually something definitive will come through.

Seriously?

I gave you the guidelines from the Canadian Health Care website and you counter with some anonymous Canadian dude on a message board????

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by n david

Seriously?

I gave you the guidelines from the Canadian Health Care website and you counter with some anonymous Canadian dude on a message board????

Remember, his sources don't have to be vetted, only ours. Keep that in mind for the "climate change" thread.

[Aquila]

Another Canadian citizen replied to my post. I took out the offensive language. lol

Yeah the Death Panels have also ruled that doctors performing colonoscopies are committing an abomination against God.

Where do you Yanks come up with this?
You not only get colonoscopies, they even have classes for those who are nervous about getting one. Also free of charge!

Another Canadian responded regarding the question of wait time and colonoscopies...

My father waited 3 days for his because he wanted a time that suited his schedule, and he was facing nothing immediate or critical.

My mother-in-law waited less than an hour, but hers was deemed critical by her doctor.

I'm disregarding quite a few posts from the Canadians, because their language is rather offensive because they feel the Conservatives in the United States are lying about their system. Every one of them appear to be lock step in defending their system. They acknowledge it isn't perfect but they seem unanimous that they don't like our system at all.

It was also pointed out that more doctors leave the US to practice in Canada vs. Canadian doctors leaving Canada to come to the US.

More US doctors come to Canada than vice versa. And the number of Cdn doctors who move to the US is at record low.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...reat-gets.html

https://www.localxpress.ca/local-new...dy-says-534137

Feel free to come aboard and debate this with real Canadians. Here's the link:

http://www.canadaka.net/

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Another Canadian citizen replied to my post. I took out the offensive language. lol



Another Canadian responded regarding the question of wait time and colonoscopies...



I'm disregarding quite a few posts from the Canadians, because their language is rather offensive because they feel the Conservatives in the United States are lying about their system. Every one of them appear to be lock step in defending their system. They acknowledge it isn't perfect but they seem unanimous that they don't like our system at all.

It was also pointed out that more doctors leave the US to practice in Canada vs. Canadian doctors leaving Canada to come to the US.

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Feel free to come aboard and debate this with real Canadians. Here's the link:

http://www.canadaka.net/

So, ND gives you a link to the official policies of the Canadian government, and you respond with random people on a forum? And you complained about his use of PragerU videos in the climate change thread? Hypocrite.