Is this becoming an EX-Pentecostal site? - Page 8

Steve Epley · #71 06-13-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Here's the post Daniel is insulting me over.

"Why do people continue to be a part of something they hate? Isn't this level of self-loathing unhealthy and harmful to the groups they are a part of? It really slays me that people identify themselves as Apostolic Pentecostals and then rip and shred the church or organization they are a part of to bits.

I can understand that we all have some level of differences of opinion.
That's cool.

But when your complaints elevate to an incessant whine regarding everything in your church and organization - what's the point? Why not just leave?

Lately AFF has turned into one big "I hate my heritage" concert. It's getting very old, very fast. People ripping on their pastors, their bylaws, their parents beliefs, their church's standards, their church's lack of standards.

Then we have the whole "I should get paid to sing in the choir" crowd. Ridiculous! Add to that the assertion that if you give LITERALLY one penny in a church's offering you are automatically a legal member and can sue the church to get your way about anything. INSANE!!!!!!!!

Is there a motive behind all this whining? Is there a move to reduce the authority of the ministry to rubble? Is there an "I will ascend" spirit involved in all of this moaning and groaning?

I think we all know the answer............... The answer is yes!!!!!!!!
A thousand times yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems very few want to FOLLOW Jesus and his ministers anywhere. Instead, they want a Jesus, and a pastor, and a church, that will cowtow to every little self-willed whim that catches their fancy.

What the church needs is a revival of sacrifice. We are lazy, and fat, and drunk, on the pleasures of this world. You need to quit trying to push your agenda, railroading your pastor, and bartering with God.

How about a spirit of meekness and service instead? Would God that someone would FOR ONCE IN THEIR MISERABLE LIVES try their best to support their pastor and his family instead of bashing their heads up against the wall every time they do something you disagree with."

Does that make you feel better Daniel?

What a post!!!!!!!!!!!

Nahum · #72 06-13-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

No ... I'm simply echoing the thought that this type of feeling and sentiment is cyclical here at AFF... there are times the libs think the forum has gone ULTRA CON ... and times the ultracons think this is a GREASY GRACER forum ...

as for you ... you swing like a pendulum ... you have some of the most liberal and conservative threads ... here ... you are a manic-depressive Apostolic.

LOL, manic-depressive?

That would hurt if I actually respected you or your opinions in any way. You have zero credibility with this issue.

SDG · #73 06-13-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Thank you. The point is that I don't understand why people are part of something they absolutely loathe. Why claim the title "Apostolic" when you hate all it has traditionally represented.

Epley has made a great point with this thread.

It's not about standards.

THIS COMING FROM THE GUY WHO OPENLY ADMITTED HE DOES NOT LIKE THE TERM APOSTOIC BUT PREFERS TO BE CALLED A PENTECOSTAL ...

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ER+PENTECOSTAL

#74 06-13-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Thank you. The point is that I don't understand why people are part of something they absolutely loathe. Why claim the title "Apostolic" when uyou hate all it has traditionally represented.

Epley has made a great point with this thread.

It's not about standards.

I don't call myself apostolic anymore.

Haven't for a long time.

Not that I 'hate all it has traditionally represented', I just don't consider myself 'apostolic'.

Nahum · #75 06-13-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

THIS COMING FROM THE GUY WHO OPENLY ADMITTED HE DOES NOT LIKE THE TERM APOSTOIC BUT PREFERS TO BE CALLED A PENTECOSTAL ...

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ER+PENTECOSTAL

And your point is?

Daniel, are you an Ex-Pentecostal?

nathan_slatter · #76 06-13-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronzo

I don't call myself apostolic anymore.

Haven't for a long time.

Not that I 'hate all it has traditionally represented', I just don't consider myself 'apostolic'.

Yeah -- as do i... as don't I... or however it should be said...

In the end, I'm not going to be bound by labels and theologies that could very well cause me to miss the truth of God... I barely hold to the label Christian...

SDG · #77 06-13-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

LOL, manic-depressive?

That would hurt if I actually respected you or your opinions in any way. You have zero credibility with this issue.

No .. I'm consistent ...

I really love your leftist threads though ...

Spiritual Abortion thread ....

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I am so sick and tired of the bonds of legalism that a small minority within our movement want to place us in. This minority is affecting many things within the Apostolic culture. There is a dawning realization in me that rules can never replace relationship. Real morality is placed deep within the heart of a man who is in love with Jesus. No rule can ever take the place of that intimacy.

The spirit of abortion is in hundreds of legalistic position papers we have been formulating for decades. It is found in the heavy-handedness of supposed elders, who rebuke the cognitive process in the young as rebellious, and by default, wicked. It is found in every sermon that focuses on works of man more than the Work of God's grace.

The spirit of abortion is alive and well in many churches today. We rely on persona and tradition more than a sovereign move of the Holy Ghost. There are far too few prayer meetings nowadays. Instead, we run after every self-proclaimed Apostolic guru that lands on a conference stage.

I'm tired of politics. I'm tired of self-promotion. I'm tired of a complete lack of integrity in high levels of leadership.

This spirit is killing real revival.

and the

Replacing Jesus thread

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"...MARK THEM which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which we have learned: and AVOID THEM. For they that are such serve NOT our Lord Jesus Christ but their own belly; and BY GOOD WORDS AND FAIR SPEECHES DECEIVE THE HEARTS OF THE SIMPLE!" Romans 16:17,18

JESUS SAID TO HIM, "I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME." John 14:6

Has "holiness" replaced Jesus as the object of affection in the Apostolic church?

Has a list of rules become the way to salvation instead of the one and only Savior of the world?

Are men teaching God's children to obey them and the rules and ignore the voice of Jesus in their hearts?

Have we replaced Jesus? Do we even need Him any longer?

#78 06-13-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Thank you. The point is that I don't understand why people are part of something they absolutely loathe. Why claim the title "Apostolic" when you hate all it has traditionally represented.

Epley has made a great point with this thread.

It's not about standards.

I can answer for myself if it helps... I was born in it... I was raised in it... I no longer believe a lot of it but it is still how I think because I spent the first 20 years of my life in it... I have family in it and friends in it and as long as that is the case, I will still think about it and want to talk about it.

Just because I don't work at Wal-Mart anymore doesn't mean I can't get together with old friends and talk about things that happened while we were working together... and point out blatant flaws and mistakes to others who have also noticed them.

Maybe some of us shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on things once we have left... but the only way to enforce that is to say that we are not welcome.

There's no point in posting somewhere where no one likes you, but some of us have been encouraged to post more, repeatedly... and that is the only reason we have...