By not seeing the hypocrisy in attempting to reconcile God is Love with Everyone Else is Lost--which a child could tell you--you actively allow all manner of atrocities. This is hardly an original idea; and it works by approaching it by degrees, as has been done.
By not seeing the hypocrisy in attempting to reconcile God is Love with Everyone Else is Lost--which a child could tell you--you actively allow all manner of atrocities. This is hardly an original idea; and it works by approaching it by degrees, as has been done.
how is this
god is love and everyone is saved so lets all convert to islam so we wont die.
good grief
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god is love and everyone is saved so lets all convert to islam so we wont die.
also obviously not true; there must be "lost" for there to be "saved," and you are going to die. We want things to be black and white; but we live in shades of gray. I have come to see it as an appropriation of our definitions, by which a faith may be subverted; and i know, for a fact, that subverting a believer is satan's job.
What is "saved?" Do you have a definition for it? How have you tested that definition? I personally would never convert to Islam; nor any other religion, so for me, that characterization is inadequate.
If you take every characterization of the word "saved" in your Bible, and write them on a piece of paper, do you find any of them at odds with your beliefs? Any you can't really fit in? Of course you do.
well at least we agree that converting to islam isn't a choice.
we don't agree on that subject much beyond that.
islam is satans religion. Of that I have no doubt.
It is death in this life and the next.
and if you are a Christian that lives in a muslim nation where sharia is the bases of their consititution (everywhere but Turkey and Turkey is slouching that direction as we speak) then you do live under sharia.
As muslims move toward their Califate (something they all want) then in that area, everyone will live by Sharia. If you are not muslim, Christian, or Jewish, you die or convert. If you are Christian or Jew, you pay a special tax for the privilege.
PS Non-Muslims have gone to jail for wearing bathing suits on beaches in muslim nations... that's sharia buddy.
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well at least we agree that converting to islam isn't a choice.
we don't agree on that subject much beyond that.
islam is satans religion. Of that I have no doubt.
It is death in this life and the next.
and if you are a Christian that lives in a muslim nation where sharia is the bases of their consititution (everywhere but Turkey and Turkey is slouching that direction as we speak) then you do live under sharia.
As muslims move toward their Califate (something they all want) then in that area, everyone will live by Sharia. If you are not muslim, Christian, or Jewish, you die or convert. If you are Christian or Jew, you pay a special tax for the privilege.
PS Non-Muslims have gone to jail for wearing bathing suits on beaches in muslim nations... that's sharia buddy.
well i guess it depends upon one's definition of "religion." I have come to define it as "man's attempts to reach God," reflected in its alt definition, that of doing something "religiously," or by habit; and i find support for condemnation of this approach to God. Religions are organized by man, "kingdoms" if you will, and so become controlled by satan; "All these kingdoms you see before you are mine..." and come with the same trappings, no matter what religion--priests, rites, standards, etc.
Living under Sharia for me has amounted to keeping my shirt on at the beach, and not speaking to unaccompanied Muslim women; but i was generally in tourist areas, which must be somewhat more benign. I have been to the West Bank several times, for dinner and short visits, but would have been considered a guest, or wanderer, and Muslims treat these differently.
I must note that i have been back in the US for about two years now, and Muslims have retreated back into being "news." I haven't interacted with a single Muslim--except friends on the internet--since then. And i doubt anyone reading this has, either. Being effectively outside our mutual experiences, they become easy fodder for boogeymen, like Russians were when i was a kid.
I also detect a mischaracterization @ "Caliphate," not because it isn't true, per se, but because like us, most "Muslims" are not devout, do not pray 5 times a day, etc. So, is there a Muslim desire for worldwide conversion to Islam (just like the Christian, or any other one)? Sure. Is it strongly held by 1.7 billion people? Hardly.
well i guess it depends upon one's definition of "religion." I have come to define it as "man's attempts to reach God," reflected in its alt definition, that of doing something "religiously," or by habit; and i find support for condemnation of this approach to God. Religions are organized by man, "kingdoms" if you will, and so become controlled by satan; "All these kingdoms you see before you are mine..." and come with the same trappings, no matter what religion--priests, rites, standards, etc.
Living under Sharia for me has amounted to keeping my shirt on at the beach, and not speaking to unaccompanied Muslim women; but i was generally in tourist areas, which must be somewhat more benign. I have been to the West Bank several times, for dinner and short visits, but would have been considered a guest, or wanderer, and Muslims treat these differently.
I must note that i have been back in the US for about two years now, and Muslims have retreated back into being "news." I haven't interacted with a single Muslim--except friends on the internet--since then. And i doubt anyone reading this has, either. Being effectively outside our mutual experiences, they become easy fodder for boogeymen, like Russians were when i was a kid.
I also detect a mischaracterization @ "Caliphate," not because it isn't true, per se, but because like us, most "Muslims" are not devout, do not pray 5 times a day, etc. So, is there a Muslim desire for worldwide conversion to Islam (just like the Christian, or any other one)? Sure. Is it strongly held by 1.7 billion people? Hardly.
I do not consider islam in its current form, a religion. It is vastly more than that. It is a system of government that uses religion to control the population.
its more akin to democracy or soviet communism or societal structure.
I agree that most Muslims are not looking to kill all the infidel. however, the vast majority in ever nation want sharia to be the law of the land, in the land they live in. That includes the USA.
Islam is a direct and present threat to free secular people the world over. That is not a reflection on islam as a religion that is a reflection on islam as it exists in the real world.
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I do not consider islam in its current form, a religion. It is vastly more than that. It is a system of government that uses religion to control the population.
ah, so it could be compared to Western Christianity--before everyone bailed from church.
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its more akin to democracy or soviet communism or societal structure.
ah, so it may be compared to the Early Christian Church.
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I agree that most Muslims are not looking to kill all the infidel. however, the vast majority in ever nation want sharia to be the law of the land, in the land they live in. That includes the USA.
You think so? Because in my experience, the vast majority are apostate, and want to be here. Then there were the quite-a-few devout ones, the few who seemed above it all; universally gentle souls, in my experience. So i doubt your "vast majority" statement. Are you suggesting that i need to fear them?
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Islam is a direct and present threat to free secular people the world over. That is not a reflection on islam as a religion that is a reflection on islam as it exists in the real world.
So then you are suggesting that i should be afraid, Ferd. Muslims are Coming to Get Me. I mean, do you have a better way of phrasing this? One that does not sound just exactly like the news, and my apostate neighbors?
ps, What ever happened to the Russkies? Or Killer Bees?
ah, so it could be compared to Western Christianity--before everyone bailed from church.
ah, so it may be compared to the Early Christian Church.
You think so? Because in my experience, the vast majority are apostate, and want to be here. Then there were the quite-a-few devout ones, the few who seemed above it all; universally gentle souls, in my experience. So i doubt your "vast majority" statement. Are you suggesting that i need to fear them?
So then you are suggesting that i should be afraid, Ferd. Muslims are Coming to Get Me. I mean, do you have a better way of phrasing this? One that does not sound just exactly like the news, and my apostate neighbors?
ps, What ever happened to the Russkies? Or Killer Bees?
1. Western Christianity? no. at least not in the modern sense.
maybe some tangential relationship to Medieval European countries like spain. which was really pretty nasty.
2. Not at all like the early church which was utterly divorced from political power.
3. Those that married Christian doctrine to Policital power did so outside of the actual words of the scripture itself. The koran actually marries political government and religious doctrine into a single entity.
Even in the Middle Ages, the Church (and by that I mean the Catholic Church) was careful to separate Spiritual from Temporal. By writ, islam demands the two are one.
There is no way around that. I work with and know quite a few muslims who seem to be wonderful people.
what I know about the details come from any number of polls conducted by the likes of Pew and others, that clearly indicate that the majority of Muslims regardless of where they are, think Sharia is a good thing and should supplant the laws of the land where there is conflict.
Just a few weeks ago, I read an article about muslims in America believing we have too much freedom of speech. Specifically they believe it should be illegal to insult muhammad.
are they coming to get FERD? well... no by name certainly.
But to suggest there isn't a hundred million true believers out there willing to kill anyone and everyone at the drop of a hat...and they are more than willing to dropt the hat... is just silliness.
Islam has a clear and distinct goal of world domination. they don't care if they achieve that by debate or murder. period. That is what their holy book demands they do.
back to the point. There are hundreds of millions of crazed jihaidis who want to kill you and everyone else that isn't what they think they should be.
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