First of all, Pressing-On, you know I love and respect you. im pained to not be on the same side of an issue with you... I mean im serious about that and I would never say a thing disrespectful to or of you... and you know how disrespectful I am willing to be from time to time! LOL
Let me say as a man who has spent more than a few years as a Youth Pastor (no longer as I have graduated). I spent a lot of time trying to get Apostolic Young people to shed their inhibitions and just be willing to talk to God/Worship God without being worried about what the kid next to them at church was thinking.
That 5 minutes with Stoneking did as much for Young People in that area as a lot of us Youth Pastors have spent entire ministries trying to do.
Every bit of that was in order. Every bit of that was a benefit to those kids and I suspect the vast majority of the youth pastors there were appreciative.
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Part the Red Sea, drop the walls of Jericho. It was God alone not the children of Israel. The walls fell because of their obedience and faith. It had nothing to do with the "decibel level" of their voices. What a bunch of hogwash.
Please review what Stoneking said. He did not say the walls of Jericho fell because of a decibel level. In fact, nothing was said about decibel levels at all, just a shout to God.
"There is unlimited potential in this auditorium. God spoke to me just about 30 minutes ago and told me that if you would do a certain thing, that He would totally deliver you from all fear and inhibitions. I'm not sure I understand this, but in the Old Testament, people would shout at the command of God and walls would come down, enemies would be discomfitted, battles would become won. And I thought to myself, what is it about shouting that would cause such a tremendous manifestation of power. With a little study, I found out that there is something about the human voice, that when it shouts, it shreds the air. The devil is the prince and power of the air. So I understand, then, that if the people of God will shout....(inaudible)"
"It's happening. It's happening. The devil's kingdom is being shredded, and the demonstration of ...(inaudible)... power is upon you. You can cause the lame to walk. You can cause the blind to see. You cause the deaf to hear. You can raise the dead. Because it is written, 'These signs shall follow them that believe. In my Name, in my Name, they shall cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues. They, believers, shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.' They shall recover. They shall recover. It's on you. It's on you. It's on you. If you will clap your hands and shout with your voice, God will deliver you from all fear. 'I deliver you from all fear,' saith the Lord. 'I deliver you from all inhibitions,' said the Lord. That's it! Clap your hands, all ye people, and shout unto the Lord with a voice of triumph!"
I see nowhere in there where he says they will cause the lame to walk, blind to see, deaf to hear, dead to live -- because of a decibel level. He gives scripture as to why/how it will happen.
The reason for the shout was because he said God spoke to him and, as God did in the OT, commanded the people to shout and He would deliver them.
If you can't agree with that, or believe that's sensationalism, then good grief. I have nothing else to say.
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Re: Shouting at NAYC
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I have been a lot of places and seen a lot of things in the world of Christian followers.. I just have a few questions, CAN I THINK OUT LOUD?
First of all, Pressing-On, you know I love and respect you. im pained to not be on the same side of an issue with you... I mean im serious about that and I would never say a thing disrespectful to or of you... and you know how disrespectful I am willing to be from time to time! LOL
Let me say as a man who has spent more than a few years as a Youth Pastor (no longer as I have graduated). I spent a lot of time trying to get Apostolic Young people to shed their inhibitions and just be willing to talk to God/Worship God without being worried about what the kid next to them at church was thinking.
That 5 minutes with Stoneking did as much for Young People in that area as a lot of us Youth Pastors have spent entire ministries trying to do.
Every bit of that was in order. Every bit of that was a benefit to those kids and I suspect the vast majority of the youth pastors there were appreciative.
Thank you, Ferd. And, yes, I do know how you are willing to be. LOL!
I will take your words into consideration, because I think you know that I hold you in high regard.
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Please review what Stoneking said. He did not say the walls of Jericho fell because of a decibel level. In fact, nothing was said about decibel levels at all, just a shout to God.
"There is unlimited potential in this auditorium. God spoke to me just about 30 minutes ago and told me that if you would do a certain thing, that He would totally deliver you from all fear and inhibitions. I'm not sure I understand this, but in the Old Testament, people would shout at the command of God and walls would come down, enemies would be discomfitted, battles would become won. And I thought to myself, what is it about shouting that would cause such a tremendous manifestation of power. With a little study, I found out that there is something about the human voice, that when it shouts, it shreds the air. The devil is the prince and power of the air. So I understand, then, that if the people of God will shout....(inaudible)"
"It's happening. It's happening. The devil's kingdom is being shredded, and the demonstration of ...(inaudible)... power is upon you. You can cause the lame to walk. You can cause the blind to see. You cause the deaf to hear. You can raise the dead. Because it is written, 'These signs shall follow them that believe. In my Name, in my Name, they shall cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues. They, believers, shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.' They shall recover. They shall recover. It's on you. It's on you. It's on you. If you will clap your hands and shout with your voice, God will deliver you from all fear. 'I deliver you from all fear,' saith the Lord. 'I deliver you from all inhibitions,' said the Lord. That's it! Clap your hands, all ye people, and shout unto the Lord with a voice of triumph!"
I see nowhere in there where he says they will cause the lame to walk, blind to see, deaf to hear, dead to live -- because of a decibel level. He gives scripture as to why/how it will happen.
The reason for the shout was because he said God spoke to him and, as God did in the OT, commanded the people to shout and He would deliver them.
If you can't agree with that, or believe that's sensationalism, then good grief. I have nothing else to say.
I believe you will look back and see that I stated, "Everything else he said was scriptural and correct."
My take away from viewing the video clip is that the youth had a profound belief that if they moved, God would move, and they were at just the right place to want God to move.
Looking over the statement, if he left out the words in bold, he would have gotten the same response from the audience. So, IMO, it was unnecessary, and like the magic hair, puts the focus on us and not on God. Everything else he said focused on God.
That is my opinion, and I stick by that. However, when our youth came back, the focus was on noise. It is problematic to me, as you stated in another post:
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I could agree we shouldn't focus solely on the noise of the shout. A Christian living just for the shout is as vulnerable as one who believes the prosperity doctrine. What happens when the shout is gone, or the trials come? What's the source of the shout?
I don't believe you can traverse between two opinions.
I believe you will look back and see that I stated, "Everything else he said was scriptural and correct."
My take away from viewing the video clip is that the youth had a profound belief that if they moved, God would move, and they were at just the right place to want God to move.
Looking over the statement, if he left out the words in bold, he would have gotten the same response from the audience. So, IMO, it was unnecessary, and like the magic hair, puts the focus on us and not on God. Everything else he said focused on God.
That is my opinion, and I stick by that. However, when our youth came back, the focus was on noise. It is problematic to me, as you stated in another post:
And again, the reason for the example was to make it easier for them to understand or relate to. When I teach my daughter about what happened in the Bible, I often use examples to reinforce what the Bible says. I'm not sensationalizing it. I'm bringing it to a point where she can understand and relate. Stoneking was doing just that. You don't like it, that's fine. I liked his example. God moved, that's all that matters.
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I don't believe you can traverse between two opinions.
That's not transversing between two opinions. Like Ferd said, if the whole of the conference was about shouting, I wouldn't agree with it. My approval of Stoneking's 5 minutes on the shout doesn't contradict my belief that a person shouldn't focus SOLELY on the shout.
And again, the reason for the example was to make it easier for them to understand or relate to. When I teach my daughter about what happened in the Bible, I often use examples to reinforce what the Bible says. I'm not sensationalizing it. I'm bringing it to a point where she can understand and relate. Stoneking was doing just that. You don't like it, that's fine. I liked his example. God moved, that's all that matters.
IMO, it wasn't a good example. I am very certain that God moved only because of the faith in the room.
And, again, it was way too sensational for me. For the record, my husband is in agreement. He also said it reminded him of the magic hair issue, and that we can't allow people to rely on noise when they are seeking something from God. For one thing, it usually has short term effects - his words.
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That's not transversing between two opinions. Like Ferd said, if the whole of the conference was about shouting, I wouldn't agree with it. My approval of Stoneking's 5 minutes on the shout doesn't contradict my belief that a person shouldn't focus SOLELY on the shout.
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