September 24th, 2015 - End of the World (Again)

[mfblume]

I am surprised that you look at Revelation chapter 1 to determine if Jesus has the same body or not. That was a vision. A sword was coming out of his mouth. He was standing in the midst of candlesticks that represented churches. He had stars in his right hand that represented angels. You can't take revelation 1 to prove whether or not Jesus has the same body that he resurrected with to this day. Revelation is highly symbolic. And we don't know what could happen to that body anyway. I mean if it could vanish, ascend into the air, and retain wounds in it that killed it, and yet it still live, then what else can it do? We don't know. So we need scripture if ur going to say that he discarded that body after he ascended. Acts chapter 1 says that Jesus will come back in the same way he left. I'm sorry, but I don't think of that any other way than that what they saw leave would be what they would see come again. The cloud he went up in was not a cloud of witnesses. It was a cloud of glory. And he's coming back the same way. That's my belief, and I've heard many many interpretations otherwise. But I honestly can't agree with these other interpretations.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I am surprised that you look at Revelation chapter 1 to determine if Jesus has the same body or not. That was a vision. A sword was coming out of his mouth. He was standing in the midst of candlesticks that represented churches. He had stars in his right hand that represented angels. You can't take revelation 1 to prove whether or not Jesus has the same body that he resurrected with to this day. Revelation is highly symbolic. And we don't know what could happen to that body anyway. I mean if it could vanish, ascend into the air, and retain wounds in it that killed it, and yet it still live, then what else can it do? We don't know. So we need scripture if ur going to say that he discarded that body after he ascended. Acts chapter 1 says that Jesus will come back in the same way he left. I'm sorry, but I don't think of that any other way than that what they saw leave would be what they would see come again. The cloud he went up in was not a cloud of witnesses. It was a cloud of glory. And he's coming back the same way. That's my belief, and I've heard many many interpretations otherwise. But I honestly can't agree with these other interpretations.

On the contrary, Jesus was back in the physical dimension that He occupied before the incarnation. It was a spiritual dimension.

Different body.

[ApostolicKitty]

Tomorrow's the first of September. I guess we'll be in countdown mode. LOL

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I am surprised that you look at Revelation chapter 1 to determine if Jesus has the same body or not. That was a vision. A sword was coming out of his mouth. He was standing in the midst of candlesticks that represented churches. He had stars in his right hand that represented angels. You can't take revelation 1 to prove whether or not Jesus has the same body that he resurrected with to this day. Revelation is highly symbolic. And we don't know what could happen to that body anyway. I mean if it could vanish, ascend into the air, and retain wounds in it that killed it, and yet it still live, then what else can it do? We don't know. So we need scripture if ur going to say that he discarded that body after he ascended. Acts chapter 1 says that Jesus will come back in the same way he left. I'm sorry, but I don't think of that any other way than that what they saw leave would be what they would see come again. The cloud he went up in was not a cloud of witnesses. It was a cloud of glory. And he's coming back the same way. That's my belief, and I've heard many many interpretations otherwise. But I honestly can't agree with these other interpretations.

Jesus has a glorified body....He can also appear in various parts of the world at the same time....ya better get used to it Mike.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Anyone care to explain why Revelation 1:13 uses μαστοις instead of στη̑θος?

μαστοις instead of στη̑θος???????

Its' all Greek to me!


LOL

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

I have never said it was the same body. Never, ever, ever.

When Jesus ascended the physical form went away. To where? To whereever God made it go.

It was not what John saw when he was on the isle of patmos. Even he used language like:

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Is this the same body that ascended? Oh yeah, the same only different.

Even here the translators used the word "Like".

G3664
homoios - hom'-oy-os
From the base of G3674; similar (in appearance or character): - like, + manner.

It was similar, yet when he describes it then it looks nothing like what is described in Acts 1.

John is seeing a heavenly picture of Jesus. Yet, no the same picture as Acts 1.

Am I missing something here?

The transfiguration. Christ's mortal body was always capable of glorification and appearing, even before death, as John saw the Lord in his apocalyptic vision.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

On the contrary, Jesus was back in the physical dimension that He occupied before the incarnation. It was a spiritual dimension.

Different body.

Jesus in Revelation 1 was in a symbolic vision. The sword from his mouth was not actual. It stood for the word of Jesus..., sharper than any two edged sword. And I already said the candlesticks were not actual as well as the stars in his hand. His white hair symbolized utter wisdom. That chapter is no substantiation for anything about the state of his body.

And you said he was back in the physical dimension that was a spiritual dimension? What?!

Every detail of his appearance there was a symbol spiritually applied to each of the seven churches in chapters two and three to give a message in biblical imagery to those churches. It was not physical or actual or anything about his state of body.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

μαστοις instead of στη̑θος???????

Its' all Greek to me!


LOL

Sean, to vindicate HIS Word (HIS meaning Jesus, not a 17th century A.D. English monarch) is to defend how it was originally written. But since truth to you only equates YOU being right, then reality can only fall to the wayside in your world. Contemplate this, on the tree of woe.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Jesus in Revelation 1 was in a symbolic vision. The sword from his mouth was not actual. It stood for the word of Jesus..., sharper than any two edged sword. And I already said the candlesticks were not actual as well as the stars in his hand. His white hair symbolized utter wisdom. That chapter is no substantiation for anything about the state of his body.

And you said he was back in the physical dimension that was a spiritual dimension? What?!

Every detail of his appearance there was a symbol spiritually applied to each of the seven churches in chapters two and three to give a message in biblical imagery to those churches. It was not physical or actual or anything about his state of body.

Mike, I can see that we are looking at the same thing and seeing different. I realize that.

John saw Jesus in Rev, he saw God. That is what I am trying to tell you who still believes that Jesus is floating around in heaven with some little jewish body.

But, "sigh" i don't think it is computing.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Mike, I can see that we are looking at the same thing and seeing different. I realize that.

John saw Jesus in Rev, he saw God. That is what I am trying to tell you who still believes that Jesus is floating around in heaven with some little jewish body.

But, "sigh" i don't think it is computing.

Does His beard still grow?

How about His hair?