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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Whether they take the form we expect or not, the facts remain they must exist.
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Facts!
This is what its about facts.
Tip toeing around facts could get someone in trouble.
Peter commanded the household of Cornelius to be baptized in Jesus name.
No way around it, therefore it is a fact in the story.
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07-20-2015, 12:00 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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I don't care if 10,000 priests are chanting the name of the Trinity over a convert... if the convert is baptized, calling upon the name of the Lord in prayer, their sins are washed away.
If a convert finds themselves trembling and quaking in their devotions while the Spirit moves upon them and they simply don't understand that they can also "speak" under this power, I do not deny them the baptism of the Spirit.
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These things might be in forms you do not expect either, bro.
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07-20-2015, 12:02 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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These things might be in forms you do not expect either, bro.
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Facts!
This is what its about facts.
Tip toeing around facts could get someone in trouble.
Peter commanded the household of Cornelius to be baptized in Jesus name.
No way around it, therefore it is a fact in the story.
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Amen!!
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07-20-2015, 12:09 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Facts!
This is what its about facts.
Tip toeing around facts could get someone in trouble.
Peter commanded the household of Cornelius to be baptized in Jesus name.
No way around it, therefore it is a fact in the story.
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Yes, but where does it say that Peter uttered an incantation or sacramental prayer above them as they were baptized??? Know ye not that Paul was admonished to call upon the name of the Lord HIMSELF as he was baptized???
Acts 22:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Being baptized IN THE NAME of Jesus involves the convert calling upon the name of Jesus... not some priest, bishop, preacher, or human intermediary chanting the name of Jesus over a convert.
Both the Trinitarians and Apostolics fall into the same error of insisting that there be a sacramental "formula" to what was originally a heartfelt cry for the forgiveness of sins while standing in the water.
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
Frankly, a convert could baptize themselves in a lake immediately after calling upon the name of Jesus... and their sins would be remitted.
I know preachers and pastors want job security and all... but there is only one mediator between God and man... the man Jesus Christ.
Selah.
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07-20-2015, 12:13 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Frankly, a convert could baptize themselves in a lake immediately after calling upon the name of Jesus... and their sins would be remitted.
I know preachers and pastors want job security... but there is only one mediator between God and man... the man Jesus Christ.
Selah.
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Sorry, God wanted Peter involved in the gentile's baptism so much that he ensured Peter do it by showing a vision to him. God works with His church. He would not even destroy Sodom and Gomorrah without informing His covenant partner Abraham.
People need the CHURCH to baptize them. No one baptized themselves in the bible. Please indicate otherwise. Even the angel could not inform Cornelius how to be saved. He needed Peter. Otherwise the angel would have done it all!
But then there's Joseph Smith's doctrine...
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07-20-2015, 12:15 PM
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Sorry, God wanted Peter involved in the gentile's baptism so much that he ensured Peter do it by showing a vision to him. God works with His church. He would not even destroy Sodom and Gomorrah without informing His covenant partner Abraham.
People need the CHURCH to baptize them. No one baptized themselves in the bible. Please indicate otherwise.
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Who was to utter the name of Jesus at Paul's baptism? Paul or Ananias?
Acts 22:16 King James Version (KJV)
(Spoken by Ananias) "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Paul. Case closed.
You can't get to heaven by the words of a priest. There's only one mediator between God and man and that is JESUS. To insist otherwise is idolatry.
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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Yes, but where does it say that Peter uttered an incantation or sacramental prayer above them as they were baptized??? Know ye not that Paul was admonished to call upon the name of the Lord HIMSELF as he was baptized???
Acts 22:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Being baptized IN THE NAME of Jesus involves the convert calling upon the name of Jesus... not some priest, bishop, preacher, or human intermediary chanting the name of Jesus over a convert.
Both the Trinitarians and Apostolics fall into the same error of insisting that there be a sacramental "formula" to what was originally a heartfelt cry for the forgiveness of sins while standing in the water. |
I already pointed this out, but doing something in the name of the Lord involves the one baptizing to speak, just as the one casting out a devil spoke the name.
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Re: Question about Acts 2:38: What about the marty
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I already pointed this out, but doing something in the name of the Lord involves the one baptizing to speak, just as the one casting out a devil spoke the name.
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Then Paul wasn't properly baptized:
Acts 22:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Paul was instructed to call upon the name of the Lord. Ananias preached the Gospel, but only Paul could call upon the name and have his sins remitted.
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