Determining which biblical laws apply today. - Page 8

thephnxman · #71 01-10-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

i wonder if a valid reflection might be "are we condemned to hell for not keeping the Sabbath?" no--but are there still benefits to keeping the Sabbath? And even rewards? Then ones answer might be 'yes.' Interesting to note that Sabbath will be kept in the New Jerusalem. Strangely, a deciding factor for me was when the potus made Saturday "small business day."

why pick that particular day, i wonder.

Sometimes it becomes a matter of a vow. "When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay..."
Also, if a person decides that it is a sin NOT to keep the Sabbath and he is faithful to keep it,
then he may derive some blessing for it. However, if he keeps it not, then it surely becomes
a sin to him.

KeptByTheWord · #72 01-10-2015, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

i wonder if a valid reflection might be "are we condemned to hell for not keeping the Sabbath?" no--but are there still benefits to keeping the Sabbath? And even rewards? Then ones answer might be 'yes.' Interesting to note that Sabbath will be kept in the New Jerusalem. Strangely, a deciding factor for me was when the potus made Saturday "small business day."

why pick that particular day, i wonder.

I do see that there can be a blessing in keeping the Sabbath, and don't dispute that at all. Spending time with the Lord, and your family most certainly will always bring about a greater blessing in your life, especially if you are diligent to set aside a day to do just that. However, just as Bro. Phoenix has said, if it is something you feel you vowed to the Lord that you will do, you need to do it as unto the Lord.

In my opinion, there are too many that begin to look at others who do not follow their Sabbath keeping, and then in their mind it becomes a salvational issue, and that - at least in my experience has been taking it a step too far -when you begin to judge others in that way.

shazeep · #73 01-10-2015, 08:09 PM

yes, that is the hardest to develop, i think; personal conviction without outward judgement. Especially for a codependent. I'm convicted that it is right for me, therefore you should want it too, etc...this is why ugly sweaters get worn

KeptByTheWord · #74 01-11-2015, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, that is the hardest to develop, i think; personal conviction without outward judgement. Especially for a codependent. I'm convicted that it is right for me, therefore you should want it too, etc...this is why ugly sweaters get worn

or... could it be this... misery likes company?

... just kidding - seriously, I do believe that keeping the Sabbath as unto the Lord as a day to fellowship and celebrate the Lord together with family and friends would be a special day, and blessings involved int aht. We keep the "Sabbath" of sorts, except we keep ours on a Sunday instead of a Saturday. Not sure the Sabbath-keepers agree with that either, lol!

Sean · #75 01-11-2015, 08:19 AM

I dont mind if someone wants to keep a form of a sabbath.

The problem is trying to impose it on others'.

The true sabbath keeper must keep it exactly right...(not leave their property all day)

The consequences for not keeping it properly is to be put to death!!!

This post will clarify what I am saying.....

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...83339334,d.eXY

KeptByTheWord · #76 01-11-2015, 12:47 PM

We have several good friends who are Sabbath keepers. One family keeps it religiously to the point that they will bring something from home with them if they leave because they don't want to be disobedient in any way to the laws found in the OT. The other family just believes in the rest part - simply resting, and spending time in the Word, both with family and friends, and they don't even try to apply any of the other restrictions found taught about the Sabbath throughout the OT, except just to follow the "rest" part.

The main problem that I see with those keeping the Sabbath is that usually they are not content to just maintain the Sabbath themselves, but seem to want to convince everyone else to do the same. It is that mindset that I have a problem with. If you are going to do it - fine, wonderful - but continue to do it unto the Lord, and not think that everyone else around you should do it as well.

KeptByTheWord · #77 01-11-2015, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

I dont mind if someone wants to keep a form of a sabbath.

The problem is trying to impose it on others'.

The true sabbath keeper must keep it exactly right...(not leave their property all day)

The consequences for not keeping it properly is to be put to death!!!

This post will clarify what I am saying.....

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...83339334,d.eXY

That was an excellent article on the Sabbath. I've printed it out for further reference.

mfblume · #78 01-11-2015, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

We have several good friends who are Sabbath keepers. One family keeps it religiously to the point that they will bring something from home with them if they leave because they don't want to be disobedient in any way to the laws found in the OT. The other family just believes in the rest part - simply resting, and spending time in the Word, both with family and friends, and they don't even try to apply any of the other restrictions found taught about the Sabbath throughout the OT, except just to follow the "rest" part.

The main problem that I see with those keeping the Sabbath is that usually they are not content to just maintain the Sabbath themselves, but seem to want to convince everyone else to do the same. It is that mindset that I have a problem with. If you are going to do it - fine, wonderful - but continue to do it unto the Lord, and not think that everyone else around you should do it as well.

Some believe it's the mark of the beast to go to church on Sundays.

thephnxman · #79 01-11-2015, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Some believe it's the mark of the beast to go to church on Sundays.

I believe that's a 7th Day Adventists doctrine: similar to the doctrine that "speaking in
tongues is of the devil", by some Baptist denoms.

shazeep · #80 01-11-2015, 10:04 PM

ya, all that to me is to miss the point, lol. If picking some other day works for you, booya. My Saturdays just used to be nuts, so i guess maybe that's why it appealed to me; but i'm hardly strict or scientific about it--you know, making sure it's sundown or whatever.

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

or... could it be this... misery likes company?

sure can turn into that, huh?