Debunking a 9-11 myth

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

prax it is still ludicrous, a physical impossibility for it to happen in free fall.

First of all it was not a free fall. Each level fell down on top of the one underneath it and compacted it.

Second of all, you've yet to prove it's impossible. All you ever do is make assertions and assume they are true.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

prax it is still ludicrous, a physical impossibility for it to happen in free fall. And certainly is going to leave a ten story pile of rubble even if just demolished. it stinks 150 other different ways. Beautiful piece of work, actually--in a sick, horrid way. Guess we'll find out someday...but if you're ok with Cheney ordering a stand down, i mean what else is there to say

FreeFall Myth debunked

http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

Prove Cheney ordered a stand down. What else is there to say? How about facts? Not conjecture you read on a conspiracy board

[shazeep]

There have been other skyscrapers hit by planes; so we have other evidence, too. Plus, this is just one major point among many

Originally Posted by Praxeas

First of all it was not a free fall. Each level fell down on top of the one underneath it and compacted it.

ok, well we've all seen it at this point. i guess this is where we differ; looks like free fall to me; your link notwithstanding, wadr.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The myth is that the plane that hit the tower could not have caused it to collapse.
Conspiracy folks argue the metal in the tower could not have melted enough to lose integrity.
I personally remember this being on the news. A tanker truck carrying fuel over turned and caught on fire. The fire burned hot long enough that the over pass collapsed
Here are several videos

You can go to youtube and find other videos
Then some guys tested an i beam with fuel to see if it would lose integrity
This next video, at the 20 min mark gives the experiment with the I beam

The "MYTH" is perpetrated by the government and its puppets!

Ask an ironworker with 30+ years experience. The steel beams of a skyscraper have
specially made beams AND have to undergo a special treatment (forging). The better
the forging, the stronger the steel.
The forging for the high-rises demanded the best forged steel. The evidence of the shoddy
workmanship was wisked away by the government, to also hide the proof of the high-rises'
true cause of falling on its footprint.
]The melting temp of the steel beans vs the temp of flaming jet fuel do not correlate.

The "MYTH" is perpetrated by the government and its puppets!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

There have been other skyscrapers hit by planes; so we have other evidence, too. Plus, this is just one major point among many
ok, well we've all seen it at this point. i guess this is where we differ; looks like free fall to me; your link notwithstanding, wadr.

Free Falls is such a subjective word. What does it mean to you?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

The "MYTH" is perpetrated by the government and its puppets!

Oh brother

Ask an ironworker with 30+ years experience. The steel beams of a skyscraper have
specially made beams AND have to undergo a special treatment (forging).

That means nothing. They are not impervious to heat

The better
the forging, the stronger the steel.
The forging for the high-rises demanded the best forged steel. The evidence of the shoddy
workmanship was wisked away by the government, to also hide the proof of the high-rises'
true cause of falling on its footprint.
]The melting temp of the steel beans vs the temp of flaming jet fuel do not correlate.

The "MYTH" is perpetrated by the government and its puppets!

Nobody argues they melted lol. They didn't have to melt. All they needed to do was soften from the heat and the weight from tons and tons and tons and tons of concrete and steel above them plus gravity did the rest.

The fact that I beams are forged proves they are not impervious to heat.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Free Falls is such a subjective word. What does it mean to you?

well, i guess it depends upon what "is" is...

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Oh brother
That means nothing. They are not impervious to heat
Nobody argues they melted lol. They didn't have to melt. All they needed to do was soften from the heat and the weight from tons and tons and tons and tons of concrete and steel above them plus gravity did the rest.
The fact that I beams are forged proves they are not impervious to heat.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT "FORGED" MEANS!

Steel used in sky-scrapers come from carbon steel, forged at 2200+ degrees F.
Jet fuel
burns at about 1500 degrees F.
So there are two reasons why the Twin Towers could have collapsed. (1) Shoddy workmanship
by the supplier(s) of the I-beams; or (2), explosives previously placed in the buildings, themselves.

Now guess why the evidence was wisked away!

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT "FORGED" MEANS!

Steel used in sky-scrapers come from carbon steel, forged at 2200+ degrees F.
Jet fuel
burns at about 1500 degrees F.
So there are two reasons why the Twin Towers could have collapsed. (1) Shoddy workmanship
by the supplier(s) of the I-beams; or (2), explosives previously placed in the buildings, themselves.

Now guess why the evidence was wisked away!

And once again, the heat did not have to melt them, just weaken them. Add to that, the already existing structural damage from the impact, and you have your answer.

[shazeep]

at least for the uneducated, yes. You won't get it past any engineers, but what the heck.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The myth is that the plane that hit the tower could not have caused it to collapse...

So iow, it really doesn't matter what anyone says; a flat-out admission could be made, and yet there will always be some who deny it. We have several other examples of planes hitting similar hi-rises, and causing fires--none of them collapsed. In free-fall, no less.

So, it will just keep being circulated, a distraction, both sides calling the other ignorant; like JFK someday everyone will know; and i think most people have at least an idea that the official story is a joke; like most or all official stories.