Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So, today, the only wandering, conquesting, tribal nomads who are still beheading and beating women are not the Hebrews. Why is that?

Not sure who you mean by "Hebrews" (The modern ones? There aren't any Hebrew tribes anymore, and Israel is so secular today that 50% of them don't even observe the Sabbath.)

But IMO, the answer is "secularization," thanks largely to the Romans, and the Jewish diaspora of 70 AD. (Merely 70 or 72 years before that, a group of Jews were supposedly ready to stone a certain woman taken in adultery, and asked Jesus how to handle it. So maybe that's a benchmark of sorts concerning stoning.) Anyhow, Jews got spread across three continents, and were cross pollinated by different cultural forces. By the time of Israel's nationhood in 1948, the religious nature of many Jews had changed, at least they were no longer very high on the scale of "OT literalism."

But some or many muslims today simply BELIEVE what their book tells them to do, approximately as deeply as many fundamentalist Christians also believe--if god said it, it's correct, and that's why you all defend the baby killer OT hero, Joshua. Or, just 600 or 1000 years ago, BELIEF had equally violent manifestations from the Christians-du-jour, the Catholics. And later on with Protestant leaders, whenever they could get the upper hand. Oops, and Nigerian Pentecostals who still kill "witches" today. Aside from that.....Amen, down with muslim terrorists.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Not sure who you mean by "Hebrews" (The modern ones? There aren't any Hebrew tribes anymore, and Israel is so secular today that 50% of them don't even observe the Sabbath.)

But IMO, the answer is "secularization," thanks largely to the Romans, and the Jewish diaspora of 70 AD. (Merely 70 or 72 years before that, a group of Jews were supposedly ready to stone a certain woman taken in adultery, and asked Jesus how to handle it. So maybe that's a benchmark of sorts concerning stoning.) Anyhow, Jews got spread across three continents, and were cross pollinated by different cultural forces. By the time of Israel's nationhood in 1948, the religious nature of many Jews had changed, at least they were no longer very high on the scale of "OT literalism."

But some or many muslims today simply BELIEVE what their book tells them to do, approximately as deeply as many fundamentalist Christians also believe--if god said it, it's correct, and that's why you all defend the baby killer OT hero, Joshua. Or, just 600 or 1000 years ago, BELIEF had equally violent manifestations from the Christians-du-jour, the Catholics. And later on with Protestant leaders, whenever they could get the upper hand. Oops, and Nigerian Pentecostals who still kill "witches" today. Aside from that.....Amen, down with muslim terrorists.

Despite anyone since the cross who slew another for the Lord, the New Testament teaches no such thing nor allows for it.

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Despite anyone since the cross who slew another for the Lord, the New Testament teaches no such thing nor allows for it.

And thank god! Imagine that! The NT does not condone killing "for the Lord". But if it did, believers would be defending it just like they defend the baby and woman killer OT hero Joshua.

But, if you are a powerful enough mand of god, you still can possibly "sick the Holy Ghost" on a poor miscreant Christian, to have their flesh destroyed FOR THEIR OWN good, maybe not unlike how the OT enemy babies were killed "for their own good" (some here are saying.) ICor. 5:5

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

And thank god! Imagine that! The NT does not condone killing "for the Lord". But if it did, believers would be defending it just like they defend the baby and woman killer OT hero Joshua.

But, if you are a powerful enough mand of god, you still can possibly "sick the Holy Ghost" on a poor miscreant Christian, to have their flesh destroyed FOR THEIR OWN good, maybe not unlike how the OT enemy babies were killed "for their own good" (some here are saying.) ICor. 5:5

Why do you come on Christian forums and spout that drivel? It gives you some kick?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Not sure who you mean by "Hebrews" (The modern ones? There aren't any Hebrew tribes anymore,

Right. That was the point. When is Islam going to change their 1406 BC timeline?

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Let’s look at the “myth” of moderate Islam.

Let’s focus on their inherent beliefs more than focusing on whether or not they are violent:


According to a 2011 Pew Research poll:
1.6 Billion Muslims live in this world - in 49 different countries there they have the majority


Asia - 205 Million Muslims
Indonesia and a lot of other countries - 50% support strict Sharia Law
70% - Blame the US or Israel for 911
Total: 143 radicalized Muslims

Egypt: 80 million Muslims
65% support strict Sharia law
70% positive or mixed feelings about Ben Laden
Total: 55.2 Million radicalized Muslims

Pakistan - 179 Million Muslims
76% support strict Sharia law in ALL Islamic countries
Total: 135.4 Million radicalized Muslims

Bangladesh - 149 Million Muslims
2013 Pew Research - 1/4 believe suicide bombings sometimes justified
82% want Sharia law as official law of the country
2/3 support honor killings of women as sometimes justified
Total: 121.9 Million radicalized Muslims

Nigeria - 75.7 Million Muslims
71% favor Sharia Law
Total: 53:7 Million radicalized Muslims

Iran - 74.8 Million Muslims
83% favor Sharia as of 2013
Total: 62.1 Million radicalized Muslims

Turkey - 74.7 Million Muslims (the most moderate Muslim country and ally of the US)
32% support honor killings of women as sometimes justified.
Total: 23.9 million radicalized Muslims

Morocco - 32.4 Million Muslims
3/4 support Sharia Law
Total: 24.6 Million radicalized Muslims

Iraq - 31.1 Million Muslims
78% support honor killings of women
Total: 24.3 Million radicalized Muslims

Afghanistan - 24 Million Muslims
76% support honor killing of women
99% support Sharia law
Total: 24 Million radicalized Muslims

Jordan - 6.4 Million Muslims
60% approval ratings for Hamas
Total: 3.8 Million radicalized Muslims

Palestinian Areas - 4.3 Million Muslims
78% positive or mixed feelings about Bin Laden
89% support terror attacks against Israel
89% support Sharia Law
Total: 3.83 Million radicalized Muslims

France - 4/7 Million Muslims
2007 - 35% favored suicide bombings as justified
Total: 1.6 Million radicalized Muslims

Great Britain - 2.8 Million Muslims
78% wanted prosecution of Mohammad cartoonist
Total: 2.2 Million radicalized Muslims

United States - 2.6 "Moderate" Muslims
13% support violence against civilians as justified
19% favorable to Al Qaeda
Total: 500,000 radicalized Muslims

Grand Total: 680,030,000 radicalized Muslims

942.4 Million Total Muslims - leaving off the totals for Algeria, Syria, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Tunisia, Somalia and Libya.

What is the logical conclusion? That the totals are NOT a "minority", they are a "MAJORITY"! - "MODERATE IS A MYTH"!!!!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pliny

No such thing as a moderate Muslim IMO.

Islam is NOT Christianity hence the fallacy of your logic and the FACT that thousands upon thousands of Muslims are murdering people, enslaving women and crucifying children TODAY.

I worked with a moderate Muslim. She is a very nice person. Doesn't wear a covering either, just like some Christian women wear a covering and some don't.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Bingo, ILG. Furthermore, a common Christian ruse is to keep claiming that "context" somehow changes the moral meaning of genocide, fratricide, and killing of children. Sorry, but to the morally sensitive, there is probably NO context to justify some crimes--but we keep waiting to hear a good reason! So far, the OT "context" falls flat. Of course, the next favorite toggle is to claim, "God must have his reasons." In other words, if our god did it or said it, it's got to be correct, so lets not accept the REST OF humanity's (in this case superior) moral sense. Or yet another toggle--inventions--such as to claim, "The dead babies must have been spirited safely to the arms of God." This invented stuff does not appear anywhere close to the texts in question. But of course, if they can find a possible explanation based on some other scripture anywhere else in the bible, even if centuries later, that's fair game to the faith-filled mind. Whatever can bail the mind out of cognitive dissonance, no matter how wild or improbable, doesn't matter: gotta preserve personal faith, as well as the infallibility doctrine. It's that simple.

Of course, when Muslims or the Muslim god or the Muslim Messenger perform atrocities similar to the OT god, well, that's different, right? (Boo, hiss....)

Well, the Bible is really a bunch of writings written over a loooooonnnnggg space of time and put together by men too. If it was put together by men, it should be allowed questioning. I mean, God didn't put it together.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You certainly cannot trust God like this, can you? More omniscience I see.
!

Actually, I think you trust God MORE like this, seems to me.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Why do you come on Christian forums and spout that drivel? It gives you some kick?

Because they are too afraid to go to Muslims and tell them their profit was a pervert. They are safe among Christians but would have their heads chopped off by Muslims.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Right. That was the point. When is Islam going to change their 1406 BC timeline?

Then there is this: