Pastors forced to perform same-sex marriages

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

jf - what if incest involves consenting adults? Should they not have the right to love each other as others do?

I could care less about if they might produce deformed offspring because they may not intend on producing any offspring at all. Marriage this day and age is not for the purpose of procreation.

With that said I think we as a society have a right to protect family ties and to keep every memeber of the family from constantly questioning other family members motives. I think that's what makes allowing incest wrong, because it diminishes the capacity for the family to trust each other.

With that said I have no problem if two 2nd cousins that don't even know they are related get together for love because they are not destroying that trust between family memebers since they didn't know they were family. Once such a love has begun I'm okay with letting it take its course.

However, if the two individuals knew before getting romantically involved that they were related then I would be against it on the ground of weakening family trust.

[aegsm76]

I don't think you can use the deformed offspring argument.
By using that argument, you could keep low IQ, (or mentally challenged) people from marrying. Or open up genetic testing before marriage.
What about a brother and sister that did not know each other before they met and fell in love?
Should they be able to marry?
This would not weaken any family trust.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I could care less about if they might produce deformed offspring because they may not intend on producing any offspring at all. Marriage this day and age is not for the purpose of procreation.

With that said I think we as a society have a right to protect family ties and to keep every memeber of the family from constantly questioning other family members motives. I think that's what makes allowing incest wrong, because it diminishes the capacity for the family to trust each other.

With that said I have no problem if two 2nd cousins that don't even know they are related get together for love because they are not destroying that trust between family memebers since they didn't know they were family. Once such a love has begun I'm okay with letting it take its course.

However, if the two individuals knew before getting romantically involved that they were related then I would be against it on the ground of weakening family trust.

What if I know someone is my cousin and still want to get with them?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

What if I know someone is my cousin and still want to get with them?

Didn't I just say that was wrong?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

I don't think you can use the deformed offspring argument.
By using that argument, you could keep low IQ, (or mentally challenged) people from marrying. Or open up genetic testing before marriage.
What about a brother and sister that did not know each other before they met and fell in love?
Should they be able to marry?
This would not weaken any family trust.

Sure. Though I'm not sure how that situation would ever arise.

By the way, I agree deformed offspring is an awful argument against incest

[Aquila]

What if pastors and elders began offering a religious blessing on couples called "Holy Matrimony" and refused to conduct Civil Marriages altogether?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by anon5

Polygamy is nowhere condemned or even discouraged in the bible. Not old or new testament. Homosexuality IS, both in old and new.

Although, that being said, it seems ironic to me that we as Americans pick and choose what issues of constitutionality we support the govt on. We have allowed ourselves to be brainwashed over time, and I believe almost all of us suffer from it. Also, many are torn between supporting the constitution vs the word of God.
As much as I would love for us to go back to the values of the past, the LAST thing we need is some crazy Nehemiah Scudder run theocracy.

I disagree with you on the underlined part (and other areas as well). Notice in the following passage it only deals with tow individuals one man and one woman never more that. Only two become one not 3,or 4, or 5 ect. Notice this is seen in both the old and new testament.

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Ephesians 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Already laws on age of consent.

There was a time when there laws against homosexuality.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Luke

I disagree with you on the underlined part (and other areas as well). Notice in the following passage it only deals with tow individuals one man and one woman never more that. Only two become one not 3,or 4, or 5 ect. Notice this is seen in both the old and new testament.

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Ephesians 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh

The scriptures you quote do NOT condemn polygamy. On the contrary, listen to this:
2 Sam 12:8
And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

Notice, this was after David took Uriah's wife. God said, if he wanted more things such as kingdom and wives, He (God) would have given him instead of David taking someone else's wife.

The scriptures you quote only show that when a man and woman unite, they're one flesh. It does not prohibit polygamy, as we see in the case of David, Jacob, etc.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Luke

There was a time when there laws against homosexuality.

Do you believe those laws should be re-instated?