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Old 05-13-2014, 06:23 PM
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If you talked like that here I have not noticed. I often pray like that but when I talk to my friends we don't talk in prose, Victorian english, parables or biblical idioms.

Other than you, I don't see anyone here confessing to talking like they are a bible recording
You still think my point is that we don't talk in prose or Victorian English or like we are a bible recording?
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Old 05-13-2014, 06:34 PM
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Most of those Christians were taught all their life the Father, Son and Spirit are three different persons

In fact many have been so indoctrinated that the way they envision the three are as three separate beings
... Are Jesus and god not separate beings?
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You totally misread that reference! I guess my words would be less carefully read than the bible. So...
Oh, you're right. Jesus is the express image of God's person, I think it meant. Right?

OK, so God is a person. Is Jesus also a person? Heb 1:3 says he is the image of God's person. Do you think that means Jesus is the same person as God?
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If you talked like that here I have not noticed. I often pray like that but when I talk to my friends we don't talk in prose, Victorian English, parables or biblical idioms.
I'm not talking Victorian prose, parables, or idioms. I am indicating the phraseology used in the greetings and salutations of the Bible, when I am talking Bible, Theology, or Christology.

I don't use Biblical phraseology when I'm asking my wife what's for dinner (for example).

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You still think my point is that we don't talk in prose or Victorian English or like we are a bible recording?
I know what your point was and my point was that "neither do you"..so what if Oneness don't talk like that? I never see you do it. I never see or hear Trinitarians do it. Why do we have to mimick how Paul talks in salutations?

If we do then why don't you also be consistent and argue we should all communicate in parables?
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... Are Jesus and god not separate beings?
If they are then Jesus is not God. Obviously
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I'm not talking Victorian prose, parables, or idioms. I am indicating the phraseology used in the greetings and salutations of the Bible, when I am talking Bible, Theology, or Christology.

I don't use Biblical phraseology when I'm asking my wife what's for dinner (for example).



Is that a dig?
I think you missed my point. I'm sure Jfrog did
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Re: Salutations in the new Testament

Your point is, in everyday, constant speech, people don't routinely greet and bless one another in the same manner as the letters to the sundry churches. I get it. And it's true, the average saint does not do so.

And I often do not do so. But sometimes I do. And sometimes I speak the same words of greeting, or, when saying goodbye, I sometimes use the same words of benediction as found in the letters.

Is it everyday, all the time usage? No. But it does happen. Enough to justify/validate my comments in this post.
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If they are then Jesus is not God. Obviously
Prax, you have always maintained that Jesus and God were one person, but not one being? You have told me countless times when explaining Jesus that Jesus was two beings, one human being and another divine being. Why because a being is a person with a nature and since Jesus was one person with two natures well I think you know the rest... What's with the change in phraseology?
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I know what your point was and my point was that "neither do you"..so what if Oneness don't talk like that? I never see you do it. I never see or hear Trinitarians do it. Why do we have to mimick how Paul talks in salutations?

If we do then why don't you also be consistent and argue we should all communicate in parables?
Wrong, trinitarians use the phrases found in those salutations or ones like them much more than oneness. They will say God raised his Son from the dead. Oneness will say God raised himself from the dead. They will say thank God for sending us his Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross. Oneness will say thank God for coming himself to die on the cross. If you reread the salutations and compare their speech and phrases to those found within you will find that trinitarians speech more closely resembles the salutations than oneness.
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