why do you like church buildings for meetings?

[n david]

Here's why I said what I said...

Originally Posted by renee819

I believe they would have had to come down out of the Upper Room to preach to that many people.

There's no record of Peter and the Apostles coming down out of the Upper Room. You're "adding to the Word of God" with that statement.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That crowd appears to have been able to HEAR the speaking in tongues and see Peter and the Apostles stand up

Exactly. The passage fluently moves from the fire falling, to people hearing, to Peter preaching. There's no pause while the 120 come down from the Upper Room.

Originally Posted by n david

The crowd heard through the windows. Also, you missed Acts 2 verse 13 1/3 which tells of Peter walking out onto a porch.

There is no 2:13 1/3....just as there's no record of Peter and the 119 coming down from the Upper Room. That's the point.

Originally Posted by renee819

??????---Where's the porch in this verse? And what is the 1/3?

There's is no porch in the verse, no 1/3, nor any mention of them leaving the Upper Room.

Originally Posted by renee819

I guess the 1/3rd means that you are adding to the Word of God.

Just as you're adding to it by saying they came down from the Upper Room.

Originally Posted by renee819

as evidently they were standing on something, so they could see the crowd, and the crowd could hear them, so you added he porch.

"as evidently they were standing on something, so they could see the crowd and the crowd could hear them...."

I wonder...*gasp* Maybe they were in kind of like a "room" or place that was "up" above the crowd, where they could be seen and heard... Wait a minute! The Upper Room! Why, that would be a perfect place for Peter to preach and for everyone to be able to see and hear him.

Originally Posted by renee819

You're a quick carpenter, they had Portico's, but I doubt if they had porches.

Actually, I'm not a carpenter. Unless assembling shelves or entertainment centers bought at IKEA makes one a carpenter. BTW, if you look up portico, another word used is porch. Likewise, if you look up porch, another word is portico.

[renee819]

OK, Let's start all over.

Originally Posted by renee819

I believe they would have had to come down out of the Upper Room to preach to that many people.

n David wrote,

There's no record of Peter and the Apostles coming down out of the Upper Room. You're "adding to the Word of God" with that statement

No. I'm not adding to the Word of God. I didn't say, “They came down out of the Upper Room.”

I said, and it is according to common sense, “I believe they would have had to come down out of the Upper Room to preach to that many people.”

Do you see the difference, I didn't say that they did.

We know that 3,000 were saved, besides the 120, there were people there from many of the surrounding nations. So how many people were there? We don't know. But I don't believe that the Upper Room would hold that many people.

[n david]

Originally Posted by renee819

No. I'm not adding to the Word of God. I didn't say, “They came down out of the Upper Room.”

I said, and it is according to common sense, “I believe they would have had to come down out of the Upper Room to preach to that many people.”

Do you see the difference, I didn't say that they did.

We know that 3,000 were saved, besides the 120, there were people there from many of the surrounding nations. So how many people were there? We don't know. But I don't believe that the Upper Room would hold that many people.

You're arguing semantics. It's the same thing.

“They came down out of the Upper Room.”
“I believe they would have had to come down out of the Upper Room to preach to that many people.”

You claim I'm adding to the Word by making a joke and adding a non-existent 1/3 to the end of a verse. That's nonsense. Adding is doing what you did, claiming something would have had to happen which isn't recorded.....not simply putting a 1/3 after a verse.

[n david]

Originally Posted by renee819

We know that 3,000 were saved, besides the 120, there were people there from many of the surrounding nations. So how many people were there? We don't know. But I don't believe that the Upper Room would hold that many people.

Right. The Bible says there were 120 in the Upper Room, not 3,000 or more. Many structures then had a porch, portico, balcony, whatever you want to call it which came out from an upper level. It could be this Upper Room had a porch/portico/balcony attached to it, which Peter could have used to preach to the crowd.

But the Bible doesn't say and I don't want to add to it.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by n david

Right. The Bible says there were 120 in the Upper Room, not 3,000 or more. Many structures then had a porch, portico, balcony, whatever you want to call it which came out from an upper level. It could be this Upper Room had a porch/portico/balcony attached to it, which Peter could have used to preach to the crowd.

But the Bible doesn't say and I don't want to add to it.

What!!!!! That's what we do, we twist scripture to fit into our mind set.

[Esaias]

From arguing about buildings to arguing about porches???

Mishna: From Gefilte Aff. p44608 It is written 'They were in an upper room'.

Rabbi n'Dawid says 'Rabbi Shimeon proclaimed Messiah from the porch.'

But Rabbi Reniee says 'Rabbi Shimeon came down the stairs to proclaim Messiah.'

Rabbi Esaias says 'Rabbi Shimeon proclaimed from the porch but fell down the stairs when he knew that a future rabbin would be a woman claiming he came down the stairs.'

halachah: When proclaiming Messiah we must not fall down the stairs but must either use the porch, if it is kosher, or come down to the street, if there are no women rabbins. Otherwise we must use the elevator.

gematria: Either Rabbi Shimeon prolaimed Messiah from the porch, or he came downstairs to proclaim Messiah in the street. There are 5 letters in 'porch', and there are 6 letters in 'street'. Rabbi Shimeon was an apostle, one of the five-fold ministry gifts to the qahal from haShem, therefore he preached from the porch. Those on the street were men, because 666 is the number of a man. Stairs are how they brought food up to the upper room, which is the job of women, therefore the street is for men, the porch is for apostles, and the stairs are for the women.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

From arguing about buildings to arguing about porches???

Mishna: From Gefilte Aff. p44608 It is written 'They were in an upper room'.

Rabbi n'Dawid says 'Rabbi Shimeon proclaimed Messiah from the porch.'

But Rabbi Reniee says 'Rabbi Shimeon came down the stairs to proclaim Messiah.'

Rabbi Esaias says 'Rabbi Shimeon proclaimed from the porch but fell down the stairs when he knew that a future rabbin would be a woman claiming he came down the stairs.'

halachah: When proclaiming Messiah we must not fall down the stairs but must either use the porch, if it is kosher, or come down to the street, if there are no women rabbins. Otherwise we must use the elevator.

gematria: Either Rabbi Shimeon prolaimed Messiah from the porch, or he came downstairs to proclaim Messiah in the street. There are 5 letters in 'porch', and there are 6 letters in 'street'. Rabbi Shimeon was an apostle, one of the five-fold ministry gifts to the qahal from haShem, therefore he preached from the porch. Those on the street were men, because 666 is the number of a man. Stairs are how they brought food up to the upper room, which is the job of women, therefore the street is for men, the porch is for apostles, and the stairs are for the women.

What is this!?

I was joking and yet you found something detailed in argument about porch vs street?

Who is Rabbi Shimeon and where did you get this?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

What is this!?

I was joking and yet you found something detailed in argument about porch vs street?

Who is Rabbi Shimeon and where did you get this?

Rabbi Shimeon - Peter (no Greek names allowed in the new AFF Talmud).

I just made it up. Sure looks legit and kosher, tho, don't it?

lol

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Rabbi Shimeon - Peter (no Greek names allowed in the new AFF Talmud).

I just made it up. Sure looks legit and kosher, tho, don't it?

lol

I see what you did there! That's awesome. I didn't look close enough the first time.

[Steve Epley]

We have church in a building because it rains and snows in Missouri. Very simple.