Innocent party

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I for one do not believe(in the church) a man can divorce and remarry and be in the ministry. I have never knowingly preached a man who has been divorced and remarried(again in the church) or preached for a man who has done the same. I have always fellowshipped men who did not agree with me on this subject. I am no longer in the AMF but I did the same when I was in the AMF.

What about one that lies or steals, can you preach them?

Ftr I am not divorced nor ever have been.

Just asking if you draw the line at all sin or just select this one, IF it is a sin?

I do appreciate your honesty and consistency, And I honestly wonder how these other sins are treated in ministry???

[Esther]

Originally Posted by davd0cv

I have been in fellowship with men for years that have believed that an apostolic saint could have one wife! Til death do ye part! Is it me or does it seem like many men are leaning in geat numbers toward a fellowship that believes the innocent party doctrine

Didn't Jesus believe in an innocent party in Matt 5 and 19?

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Esther

What about one that lies or steals, can you preach them?

Ftr I am not divorced nor ever have been.

Just asking if you draw the line at all sin or just select this one, IF it is a sin?

I do appreciate your honesty and consistency, And I honestly wonder how these other sins are treated in ministry???

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Esther

Didn't Jesus believe in an innocent party in Matt 5 and 19?

[DanShaf]

Not to pretend to answer for Bro. Epley..He does not need me to bolster his Bible teaching,but let me say that a Hebrew wedding was a much more complex affair than our modern wedding customs. The betrothal was a binding contract. A bill of divorcement was required to break this contract,and fornication was just cause to put away. Thus..the "exception clause" in Mathew 5. I am sure the elder will be along soon.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by DanShaf

Not to pretend to answer for Bro. Epley..He does not need me to bolster his Bible teaching,but let me say that a Hebrew wedding was a much more complex affair than our modern wedding customs. The betrothal was a binding contract. A bill of divorcement was required to break this contract,and fornication was just cause to put away. Thus..the "exception clause" in Mathew 5. I am sure the elder will be along soon.

And how do you see that as being different from our laws that also require a divorce to break our wedding vows"

[DanShaf]

Originally Posted by Esther

And how do you see that as being different from our laws that also require a divorce to break our wedding vows"

Before,or at the point of the beginning of the physical relationship there could be seen some evidence that the lady was not a virgin. One fact that we do not like to accept when studying the Bible era is that women were considered to be property.The fact of her virginity had cash value... After the marriage had existed physically for a while,there would be no possibility of literal proof of adultery.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by DanShaf

Before,or at the point of the beginning of the physical relationship there could be seen some evidence that the lady was not a virgin. One fact that we do not like to accept when studying the Bible era is that women were considered to be property.The fact of her virginity had cash value... After the marriage had existed physically for a while,there would be no possibility of literal proof of adultery.

Unless caught in the act, as happened and the woman brought to Jesus.

[DanShaf]

Originally Posted by Esther

Unless caught in the act, as happened and the woman brought to Jesus.

Yes..it is hard to commit adultery all by yourself. Where was the man?? Maybe their culture was a lot like ours in this day,that considers a girl that is immoral a tramp..or some such other word..and winks at a young man that does the same.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by DanShaf

Yes..it is hard to commit adultery all by yourself. Where was the man?? Maybe their culture was a lot like ours in this day,that considers a girl that is immoral a tramp..or some such other word..and winks at a young man that does the same.

So true.