List of grace giving churches.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Rudy

AOG declares Tithing is not a salvation issue.

The Assemblies of God has always been a proponent of tithing (or giving one-tenth of one’s personal income to support the work of God). We believe tithing is a recognition that everything we have comes from God. The practice checks our greed, promotes personal discipline and thrift, testifies to our faith, promotes God’s work in the world, and alleviates human need. While we do not believe tithing to be a condition for salvation, we do believe it is a very important biblical model, one which should set the minimal standard for Christian giving for people in all income ranges.

I don't completely agree with this position, but I wouldn't have a problem going to a church that took that position. I think the UPC should take a very similar stance.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I don't completely agree with this position, but I wouldn't have a problem going to a church that took that position. I think the UPC should take a very similar stance.

Jason,It has been a few years but I don't think I ever heard tithing preached or taught as a requirement for Salvation in the UPC.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Jason,It has been a few years but I don't think I ever heard tithing preached or taught as a requirement for Salvation in the UPC.

EVER?!

I was "sat down" (years ago) for even talking to my pastor behind closed doors about why I believed it was unbiblical. Actually it wasn't a conversation, because I barely got to speak, he just cut me off several times told me I was deceived and rebellious, and if I didn't pay my tithes, I would go to hell. Instead of trying to talk over him, I listened to him respectfully, and just let it die. A few weeks later he brought me a Bible study on tithing, which was filled with the same regurgitated logic (e.g. Matthew 23:23, Jesus didn't rebuke the Pharisees for tithing) which didn't help me at all. I actually stayed in that church after I was "sat down" and remained faithful to that man until he died, even though I strongly disagreed with him on that issue.

But you say you don't think you EVER heard it preached that way? WOW. I've heard it a lot, and in no uncertain terms, and by "prominent" men. Both in the UPC and independent oneness preachers.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

EVER?!

I was "sat down" (years ago) for even talking to my pastor behind closed doors about why I believed it was unbiblical. Actually it wasn't a conversation, because I barely got to speak, he just cut me off several times told me I was deceived and rebellious, and if I didn't pay my tithes, I would go to hell. Instead of trying to talk over him, I listened to him respectfully, and just let it die. A few weeks later he brought me a Bible study on tithing, which was filled with the same regurgitated logic (e.g. Matthew 23:23, Jesus didn't rebuke the Pharisees for tithing) which didn't help me at all. I actually stayed in that church after I was "sat down" and remained faithful to that man until he died, even though I strongly disagreed with him on that issue.

But you say you don't think you EVER heard it preached that way? WOW. I've heard it a lot, and in no uncertain terms, and by "prominent" men. Both in the UPC and independent oneness preachers.

Jason I believe you! I heard teaching on tithing, but never as a requirement for salvation, but we did the 15 percent requirement. 10 percent tithe and 5 percent mandatory offering along with Kingdom Builders.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Jason I believe you! I heard teaching on tithing, but never as a requirement for salvation, but we did the 15 percent requirement. 10 percent tithe and 5 percent mandatory offering along with Kingdom Builders.

Oh yeah, I've never been in a 15% church, but I know of a big one in my area that preached the 15%, because after all, God said wherein have you robbed me? In tithes AND OFFERINGS. Thus 10% is necessary, but "air conditioning, electricity, and a building" are all extras and thus require "offerings" above and beyond the tithe, so the logic goes. Furthermore, where I have heard this preached the bar was raised for salvation, if you tithed, but didn't give offerings (anything after your tithe) you were still just as lost as non tithers.

[Rudy]

If you're robbing God, sounds like a salvational issue IMO.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Not against tithing.

Go here on tithing----->

http://www.nomoretithing.org/nmt_links.htm

http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/

http://tekoapublishing.com/books/tithing/index.html

Really? Could've fooled me. You say you're not against tithing, yet have anti-tithing links in your sig line.

Originally Posted by Rudy

Catholics don't force tithing. They are the richest religion in the world.

There are some Catholic Churches which do. In fact, in a small city I was in years ago there was a major blowup in the local newspaper in which someone published a letter they received from the local Catholic church there saying if they didn't catch up on the tithes they had not been paying for the past fiscal year, they would not be able to receive communion, church visits for sickness, last rites, etc. It demanded their work and salary info, and gave instructions on how to calculate the 10% PLUS late fees which were owed to the church.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I don't completely agree with this position, but I wouldn't have a problem going to a church that took that position. I think the UPC should take a very similar stance.

I've looked at the UPC Statement of Faith, Doctrinal Foundation and other Articles linked in the Resource section of the website and see nothing anywhere that even remotely suggests the UPC believes paying tithes is tied to salvation.

Sure, like the Catholic Church, there are indeed some Pastors who take it upon themselves to create their own doctrine on tithing, dress standards, etc.

But in all my years in the UPC as a PK and District official's son, I've never once heard or read about tithing being tied to salvation in the UPCI.

[Rudy]

No, I'm not against tithing. What I'm against is forced tithing. The links offer information about said issue. I don't know anyone who is against freewill tithing.

The official stance from catholic sources is no mandatory tithing.

I asked my X Upc pastor if I was in violation of God's word by not tithing, he said I was. Met with him before I went there and he had no problem with it. After awhile that changed when people started to leave there.

[Rudy]

http://indiechurch.wordpress.com/the...ainst-tithing/

[Rudy]

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