Restoring the Apostle's Doctrine

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

In context, yes, really. These are educated people, not ignorants. Presuming to tell everyone else that they are--oh, take it as far as you like:--not 'baptized' in the Holy Spirit, not Apostolic, not going to heaven. I stand by my post here, wadr.

Originally Posted by bbyrd009
"While I have no doubt that this will not sway you from your satanically directed purpose, let this serve as notice that you can fool some of the people some of the time...and don't be mystified at why people are running, full tilt, away from your death-centered churches."

For the record, I have never said any of the things in the first I am not their judge, simply a mere student of the scriptures. I simply try to say what the Word itself says.

I do however have a question.

John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

The message of the Gospel is one of Life and Freedom. Repentance is made, sins are remitted, a new spirit is received and Christ Himself comes to live within you. Can you please tell me in precisely what way, bringing that reality to people is "death-centered." That's the one phrase from your earlier post that you chose to repeat. I am afraid I cannot understand your thinking there. Help me out, please.

[n david]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Just so you know, however, I've apologized to him, like this morning.

Good to read you apologized; however, you turned around and doubled down on a terrible statement:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

I stand by my post here, wadr.

Originally Posted by bbyrd009
"While I have no doubt that this will not sway you from your satanically directed purpose, let this serve as notice that you can fool some of the people some of the time...and don't be mystified at why people are running, full tilt, away from your death-centered churches."

So you believe larrylgates is a satanist? "Your satanically directed purpose." You attributed "satanically" to the "directed purpose," and then attached "your" as ownership of the "satanically directed purpose." That being so, you apparently believe he is a satanist/satan-worshiper... is this true?

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

Yeah! I get that sometimes!
How's the weather? And how is your Home Group?

Both are wonderful! We could use a little more rain... ponds look low to me... but after the 2011 drought I am extremely paranoid about rainfall. Still I remind myself that God still provided... In the form of hay from Florida... but still!

[Titus2woman]

bbyrd... what is wadr? You have stumped me again.

Nevermind! I figured it out all by myself (so proud ) With all due respect... I feel like I just won on Wheel!

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

bbyrd... what is wadr? You have stumped me again.

Nevermind! I figured it out all by myself (so proud ) With all due respect... I feel like I just won on Wheel!

Time for me to go to bed. I read your post, couldn't figure it out, googled it and came back and guess what.... there it was in your post. With All Due Respect! Now that's a little dense on my part.

BT

[Jay]

Bbyrd, tongues happens to be one of those 'signs and wonders' that you keep demanding. Further, I have seen many miracles of healing performed in those 'death-centered' churches that you dislike so much.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Come dear brother Yates

The UPCI suffers from the same myopia that every new denomination that came along, the Lutherans thought they were the restoration of the true church, and so did the Wesleyans and the Methodists and so on.

The UPCI is just a step back to the early Apostolic Church, the UPCI is still a long way from being the true Apostolic Church.

Their self-anointing as the Church of Acts falls short of reality.

Their illusion that they are the last step in the way back to the Church of Acts is sadly too real to them.

God is not finished yet taking us back to the original church of Acts.

Great post!

I would disagree with one statement. I don't believe God is ever "taking His church back". I believe the Church is ever moving forward. God builds on what has already been established. Today's Church is more of what God wants than it's ever been. Tomorrow it will be more so.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

...Can you please tell me in precisely what way, bringing that reality to people is "death-centered." That's the one phrase from your earlier post that you chose to repeat. I am afraid I cannot understand your thinking there. Help me out, please.

It will be hard to hold a mirror up for this, for someone from the West, who has not experienced creation-centered Christianity. The best that I can do is to reiterate that a doctrine, that of Original Sin, was seized upon over the objections of its author, about 400or so years ago, at the Council of Trent.

While it has been completely obscured from us now--intentionally, I have no doubt--this effectively divided the Western world, which then consisted of Western Europe and (pointedly) a nascent little upstart nation, the USA; to the point that one cannot now have a conversation about the Law of sin and death--accepted theology, even in a creation centered model, and backed by Scripture--w/o said "doctrine" entering into the conversation; and generally right from the first reply of the Westerner.

Again, although the connection might be initially hard to make, this is why we have such a fascination with skulls--it's why we like to wear black. This doctrine has completely permeated every area of our society now. I do not post this to change anyones mind--it is too late for that; we have long passed that tipping point--but so that a remnant might recognize, or 'hear,' when the effects become unavoidably evident for all.

While the difference in the Law and the doctrine might seem insignificant, an exercise in semantics, I offer as a type of proof your sunday school education; like making Sunday "the Lord's day," and turning Passover into "Easter" (Ishtar worship), how many times did anyone cover this with you then? Exactly 0, is my guess--in church school. Them what's got ears...


Understand that this does not happen by accident; it takes a sustained effort, over generations.

http://www.wikihow.com/Recognize-the...ristian-Models

Will give anyone interested a primer, of sorts.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by n david

...So you believe larrylgates is a satanist? "Your satanically directed purpose." You attributed "satanically" to the "directed purpose," and then attached "your" as ownership of the "satanically directed purpose." That being so, you apparently believe he is a satanist/satan-worshiper... is this true?

One may quite easily be embarked upon what they consider to be "good"--say, inaugurating an institution such as a church, hammering out by-laws and whatnot with other humans--and not recognize that they are engaged in the Scriptural definition of "satanically directed."

"All of these kingdoms You see before you are mine, to do with as i will; bow down and worship me, and i will give them all to You." applies to any "kingdom" that is instituted by man, and it applies today. Symptoms of a qualifying 'kingdom' are established--and generally entrenched--rules, codes, policies, etc., which the Spirit, being fully alive and in the moment at all times, cannot abide...Understand I AM means that whatever is the right thing to do in the moment is what is going to happen (but this is another thread).

So, I don't mean to imply that anyone is intentionally following satan, but that we do it unawares, me also.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

bbyrd... what is wadr? You have stumped me again.

Nevermind! I figured it out all by myself (so proud ) With all due respect... I feel like I just won on Wheel!

I try to avoid the more obscure of those, sorry. I will say that since I figgered out that anything after "What is..." may be entered into the Google bar, followed by "def," things have got easier!