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[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Look...I attend the church where Jeff Arnold died....had 3 er nurses a doctor and a flight medic there...im sure cpr was started...but the point isn't whether or not cpr happened...the point is that he was without a pulse and he came back.

I am sure I heard the medic was doing CPR (the guy).

It's sad that when there is a legitimate miracle you have to have three pieces of paper from nine different doctors and 76 pictures before a lot of Spirit filled people will believe. Sad and indictment.

Will, thanks for filling us in.

[SiblingRevelry]

Originally Posted by HolyFire

http://youtu.be/HFbwhMgmnW4

BTW, I lived in Memphis area and went to several Singles Conferences where Bro Stoneking preached. Among other things I saw a cripple walk without help for the 1st time in years.

OK. As someone who occasionally dines out, I would have been extremely unhappy to have my dinner interrupted with that racket. Whatever happened to "decently and in order" (1 Cor. 14:40)? Also, as a former waitress, I could see that mess really making my night more difficult than it needed to be and I wouldn't be having nice thoughts about the church people.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Barb

Though you and I remain miles apart in many respects, I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with this excellent post. I was discussing this very thing with one of my brothers this morning, and I called it, "small-man mentality."

Apostolic Pentecostals in general, not UPCI exclusively, have this mentality, and have for years.

It's the thinking that in order or to make myself seem more important or relevant I must add to the written Word, or say that some celebrity or whoever is "looking our way."

Either we believe what we say we believe or we don't. What we teach is biblical truth or it isn't, and it's just that simple.

I don't need to hear an off the wall claim of a Jewish revival or that the wives of a terrorist were all baptized to cement my belief in Jesus Name baptism.

Furthermore, I don't need to see a pic or video of someone waving their hair over an offering basket to keep me from cutting my hair.

I don't want to hear about how someone laid their hair on someone and they were healed. If I want sensationalism, I can watch a movie. My purpose in listening to a man or woman preach or teach behind a pulpit is in hearing the WORD of God...not some fabricated tale to incite fear in women.

If someone was healed, it is the prayer of the righteous and the stripes that He bore. All glory goes to the Healer...not the hair.

I don't need to hear about the protection that comes from my uncut hair. My sister in law has never cut her hair, but my brother still dropped to the floor at the age of 46 years old. Another sister in law, uncut hair notwithstanding, lost her 20 year old son to diabetes.

Life happens, CC...it rains on the cut haired folks and the uncut folks. God is sovereign, and to take the credit for protection is to once again dismiss His divine hand and will in our lives.

For whatever it is worth, I am very seriously considering writing to Bro. Bernard, and if I do, I want to use your post as a jumping off point. He may not listen or regard what I have to say, but it's worth a try.

There needs to be a purging in the hearts of the people, but it cannot come until there is a purging in the hearts of it's leaders.

How they can stand back and do nothing is beyond my little thinking. Is it because of the reputation and stature of the one spouting this nonsense?

Are they afraid of ruffling feathers in the bonnet of the 'prophet' or his Amen crowd?

And for the record, I absolutely believe in miracles and great outpourings, but in relating the incidents, let us remember to give glory to Whom it is due, and keep the story true.

I'm finished with my rant...may heaven help us all!

Barb,

A very highly respected UPC official is a friend of mine from Bible College days. We are not as close as we were decades ago and only see each other every few years. I last saw him in 2010 and broached the RRH magic hair subject. We got interrupted before we could really discuss it but in the minute or so he had to respond he seemed oblivous of anything wrong being taught and rattled off RR's key scripture. I hated we did not have time to discuss it in depth but I was very surprised that he was surprised there was any controversey over her teachings. He is avery smart person and a good man.

For any criticism of it to do any good it needs to come from folks like you who are in their group and who do believe the doctrine of uncut hair. Outside criticism just looks like people who do not believe the uncut hair doctrine casting stones.

[SiblingRevelry]

Originally Posted by HolyFire

I am sure I heard the medic was doing CPR (the guy).

It's sad that when there is a legitimate miracle you have to have three pieces of paper from nine different doctors and 76 pictures before a lot of Spirit filled people will believe. Sad and indictment.

Will, thanks for filling us in.

Give how many faith-promoting lies I was told in my years in church, more than a tiny bit of skepticism is in order for me. If people were scrupulously honest about the truth I wouldn't feel like this. Problem is, the truth doesn't usually make for spellbinding pulpit pounding.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Barb

Though you and I remain miles apart in many respects, I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with this excellent post. I was discussing this very thing with one of my brothers this morning, and I called it, "small-man mentality."

Apostolic Pentecostals in general, not UPCI exclusively, have this mentality, and have for years.

It's the thinking that in order or to make myself seem more important or relevant I must add to the written Word, or say that some celebrity or whoever is "looking our way."

Either we believe what we say we believe or we don't. What we teach is biblical truth or it isn't, and it's just that simple.

I don't need to hear an off the wall claim of a Jewish revival or that the wives of a terrorist were all baptized to cement my belief in Jesus Name baptism.

Furthermore, I don't need to see a pic or video of someone waving their hair over an offering basket to keep me from cutting my hair.

I don't want to hear about how someone laid their hair on someone and they were healed. If I want sensationalism, I can watch a movie. My purpose in listening to a man or woman preach or teach behind a pulpit is in hearing the WORD of God...not some fabricated tale to incite fear in women.

If someone was healed, it is the prayer of the righteous and the stripes that He bore. All glory goes to the Healer...not the hair.

I don't need to hear about the protection that comes from my uncut hair. My sister in law has never cut her hair, but my brother still dropped to the floor at the age of 46 years old. Another sister in law, uncut hair notwithstanding, lost her 20 year old son to diabetes.

Life happens, CC...it rains on the cut haired folks and the uncut folks. God is sovereign, and to take the credit for protection is to once again dismiss His divine hand and will in our lives.

For whatever it is worth, I am very seriously considering writing to Bro. Bernard, and if I do, I want to use your post as a jumping off point. He may not listen or regard what I have to say, but it's worth a try.

There needs to be a purging in the hearts of the people, but it cannot come until there is a purging in the hearts of it's leaders.

How they can stand back and do nothing is beyond my little thinking. Is it because of the reputation and stature of the one spouting this nonsense?

Are they afraid of ruffling feathers in the bonnet of the 'prophet' or his Amen crowd?

And for the record, I absolutely believe in miracles and great outpourings, but in relating the incidents, let us remember to give glory to Whom it is due, and keep the story true.

I'm finished with my rant...may heaven help us all!

CC1 stiring the pot at WEC!!!

Barb, I agree with you and think you need to follow your heart on this!

[HolyFire]

I'm withdrawing my statement about Bro Barnes endorsing HMH for the moment. I need to find my CD with the message. I am pretty sure that Bro Barnes took the pulpit and said something to the effect 'We've heard from the Lord tonight.' afterward the message.

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

....and now "8 people got the baptism of the holy ghost at a Cracker barrel!"

I'm actually really close to someone who was at that cracker barrel. Let me assure you, it happened. She posted video of it happening. It was at one of the yearly Single's Conferences they do at Bro. Black's Church in TN.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

I'm actually really close to someone who was at that cracker barrel. Let me assure you, it happened. She posted video of it happening. It was at one of the yearly Single's Conferences they do at Bro. Black's Church in TN.

I don't know anybody who is denying the Cracker Barrell thing happened. There was video of it right afterwards I think somebody took on a cell phone.

It was not clear what the end results where as the video was not that long so I don't know if anybody was converted, spoke in tongues (other than the group from the church), etc.

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by CC1

I don't know anybody who is denying the Cracker Barrell thing happened. There was video of it right afterwards I think somebody took on a cell phone.

It was not clear what the end results where as the video was not that long so I don't know if anybody was converted, spoke in tongues (other than the group from the church), etc.

Bro. Randy apparently does not believe and/or is skeptical of the event taking place as it was reported.

He also made this statement on the next page of this thread

I have no doubt that the people involved in the "Cracker Barrel Revival" think it really happened, but I have also seen people drunk out of their gourd after bar closing time who went out to eat -and actually thought they were being funny when they gave the waitress a hard time at the local Perkins.

There are a few videos posted regarding this incident. Yes, I believe no less than 3 waitresses recieved the baptism of the Holy Ghost there at the restaurant. This is evidenced by the film. Pictures were taken with them afterwards as well.

As far as follow up, I'm not entirely sure what happened after they received the HG.

**EDIT**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFbwhMgmnW4

One of the clips.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

Bro. Randy apparently does not believe and/or is skeptical of the event taking place as it was reported.

He also made this statement on the next page of this thread



There are a few videos posted regarding this incident. Yes, I believe no less than 3 waitresses recieved the baptism of the Holy Ghost there at the restaurant. This is evidenced by the film. Pictures were taken with them afterwards as well.

As far as follow up, I'm not entirely sure what happened after they received the HG.

**EDIT**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFbwhMgmnW4

One of the clips.

No, I am not saying that people from an emotionally charged service didn't spill into the restaurant and decide to keep having church. I did see the video (or half of it). I was attempting to say that I would have been embarrassed to have been part of that group had I been there. There is a time and a place (and a way!) to do everything. Having a UPC alter call in a restaurant is neither the time or the place.

I also noticed all the people very uncomfortably sitting around trying to order their food and eat.