Texas Tornado Over Pastor with TV

[IAintMovin]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

There is a difference. To some, they follow the DS muuuuuuuch more than they do HQ.

We have a HQ - really????????? WOW ............where........

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

This one was enough to bring me out of two weeks of full lurker mode.

What in the world is going on down there? It seems the DS is threatening to remove a pastor who openly admitting having a tv on his website. The DS is supposedly bringing an entourage to remove this man within a couple of weeks. He can do this because the church is affiliated.

In the meantime, the church board has voted to disaffiliate immediately. Now the full body is going to vote on it.

Couple of thoughts here.

1. It was silly for the man to go against the bylaws he agreed to follow.
2. It was silly for him to admit it on the web.
3. I can not believe they are going to prosecute, considering the current political climate.
4. The org is about to lose another church, and lots of money, over tv.

The whole thing is crazy. All over a little box that will soon be called a computer.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Remarkable when you consider that we are consistently told that the org would never prosecute anyone over tv.

Originally Posted by The Mrs

They will remove a pastor over the TV issue, but not over worse offenses and crimes???

Originally Posted by CupCake

All this over a T.V, what about the internet, it's a lot worst, alot evil right at your finger tips. They should be more worried about the pastors who are fooling around, and other such behavior~

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I don't see how they can just ignore it, with it being so blatant and public.

Originally Posted by Straightline

Pressure from above will bear down on the DS. They will capitulate, unfortunately.

If men would live by their word, and district boards would enforce the whole manual equally, we'd be a better org.

If the Texas DS and DB goes through with this, it's retarded.

Straightline and Coonskinner - explain how a certain DS can be called out for LYING to the whole organization about a Jewish Revival and yet STILL BE allowed to hold a license and even be VOTED IN AS PRESBYTER this past week?

And what is so sickening about this is this person is unrepentant, angry and refuses to admit ANY wrongdoing, even though Bishop Haney sent a committee from HQ and they caught this man in several lies.

I just don't see how HQ would allow this Texas DS go after this pastor for having a Television while allowing, in another district, this other pastor openly rebel and lie to the whole organization about a revival.

My former Pastor was on the TV committee. He's a HQ rep, owns a television in his residence. He tells his ministers, when they receive the AS, to sign it and include an objection to the television clause. His assistant pastor has a television, as do most of the others.

I'll be watching this . . . keep it updated. I'd like to know if they'll allow a pathological liar remain in office and hold license in one district, but not an open, honest pastor with a television in another district.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

Is the organization doing this...or the district??

Mind saying what district?

Do we pick and choose which scriptures to abide by? UPCI should NEVER prosecute or bring any church or Pastor before a worldly legal system:sshhh

Blessings, Rhoni

[rgcraig]

IAM - I told you not to buy that big screen!!!!!

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

There have been rumblings that if the resolution doesn't pass this year, a lawsuit may be brought regarding first ammendment rights.

Well, THAT would be interesting.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

If the Texas DS and DB goes through with this, it's retarded.

Straightline and Coonskinner - explain how a certain DS can be called out for LYING to the whole organization about a Jewish Revival and yet STILL BE allowed to hold a license and even be VOTED IN AS PRESBYTER this past week?

And what is so sickening about this is this person is unrepentant, angry and refuses to admit ANY wrongdoing, even though Bishop Haney sent a committee from HQ and they caught this man in several lies.

I just don't see how HQ would allow this Texas DS go after this pastor for having a Television while allowing, in another district, this other pastor openly rebel and lie to the whole organization about a revival.

My former Pastor was on the TV committee. He's a HQ rep, owns a television in his residence. He tells his ministers, when they receive the AS, to sign it and include an objection to the television clause. His assistant pastor has a television, as do most of the others.

I'll be watching this . . . keep it updated. I'd like to know if they'll allow a pathological liar remain in office and hold license in one district, but not an open, honest pastor with a television in another district.

CR, I agree it's heavy handed, but don't you think he bears some culability for a complete lack of judgement? How can the district not do something when he openly admits it? Do our bylaws mean anything at all?

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by IAintMovin

Accept my apology please then, I am sorry, I thought you had stated that you no longer attended and one of my pet peeves is people who are not a part trying to decide how we should run things.

I was totally mistaken and I am sorry.

Please forgive.

God bless,

IAM

Nothing to forgive, but I appreciate your apology. I have been attending a UPCI church since 2004. UPCI is almost all I know. I love many of the people but don't agree with the politics.

Blessings, Rhoni

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

CR, I agree it's heavy handed, but don't you think he bears some culability for a complete lack of judgement? How can the district not do something when he openly admits it? Do our by-laws mean anything at all?

Precisely .... let them enforce this ....

[tamor]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

IAM - I told you not to buy that big screen!!!!!

He just shouldn't have bragged about it on his church website.....

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Do we pick and choose which scriptures to abide by? UPCI should NEVER prosecute or bring any church or Pastor before a worldly legal system:sshhh

Blessings, Rhoni

Rhoni, I mean prosecuting within the org. Not in the courts.