I've rented a fair number of cars, and have been pulled over just once. (Going the wrong way on a one-way street! )
The cops don't even stop you for that around here (usually). You get a friendly letter in the mail a week or two after the act with a wonderful photo and a bill with the amount of your fine on it.
There's a difference between profiling and prejudice. Profiling is using math and data to place some people in higher risk categories. Fair or not, it has legitimate uses IMO. Whether or not those uses are ETHICAL is another debate.
Prejudice is personal, it's biased, highly subjective and as varied as the number of belly buttons in the world. Having lived in deep south for a few years and having family that still lives there, I can say without hesitation that racism is still alive and kicking'. The ignorance and venom is still shocking. Living further north, I still encounter it, but not as frequently. I'm not surprised at all that tstew would be stopped more than your average [white] Joe. For no good reason at all.
However: I do have a nephew who gets pulled over nearly every time he travels I-10--and he's white. Of course, he gets pulled over for speeding, but my point is that the cops do seem to be pretty active on that stretch of interstate. I mind my P's and Q's when I'm driving it.
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Actually, you have no idea Sister if I've ever experienced the ill side of being unjustly treated or prejudice in my life. You make assumptions with no evidence, and then because you disagree with my opinion (was under the assumption all opinion were welcome), instead of keeping the discussion civil and talking about the merits, or lack there of, of profiling, you'd rather resort to personally attacking me, and my character. You have no idea what personal experiences I've had, especially if I've been thrown on the ground by an officer and mistaken for having bad intentions while there for a good purpose. Actually I have.. but you'd rather assume and blast me, than to stay on topic and have an above board respectful discussion.
I still maintain my opinion, that profiling in itself isn't wrong but is a valid technique that should be used more. It is a technique that can be abused, and misapplied as all, but that's where instruction and correction is needed... so that the technique would be used appropriately, not done away with.
This thread was about one of our own being unfairly treated for no good reason... but you used it not to express sympathy, empathy or even just a 'got your back guy' but to go off on some rant about how profiling should be done MORE. I think that was insensitive and even a tiny bit cruel. If I were being abused by my husband and posted about it here, I would not want a post about how much better behaved women are in countries where husbands beat their wives included in my thread.
I maintain that it appears to me whenever you have a choice between being supportive of someone having a current problem or being an oppositional blowhard with unhelpful opinions, you go for what's behind door two.
So now don't go all whiny and stuff... I can not stand people who can dish it out but can't take it. Ugh! If you want to be a tough guy who believes in and speaks that ends justify the means then consider that my post was formatted with just that kind of thought stream.
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I also travel a lot using rental cars.
And I get pulled over a lot.
I am up to 20+ consecutive pull overs, with out a ticket.
I am multi-racial, but look white, so for me, I think it is more of the rental car issue.
I would have to disagree because more often than not I am driving 1 of our personal cars.
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I would have to disagree because more often than not I am driving 1 of our personal cars.
My dear friend Mary (a white woman) lived in Jacksonville, FL and underwent monthly cancer treatments at MD Anderson in Houston for over three years. I do not recall that she was ever stopped, not one single time.
I have driven that stretch of I-10 myself at least 4 times delivering horses to Micanopy and never was stopped either.
The cops don't even stop you for that around here (usually). You get a friendly letter in the mail a week or two after the act with a wonderful photo and a bill with the amount of your fine on it.[/QUOTE]
How convienient. I bet everyone is greatful for that.
Also remember where not just talking about being pulled over out of a speeding pack. I was not speeding and was litterly tailed for 20 miles and then pulled over for no reason... and it happens a whole lot. my son is not old enough to understand it now but how do I explain it to him
when he is? How is that going to affect the way he sees law enforcement?
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And I still maintain that when ever you have a choice between being supportive of someone having a current problem or being an oppositional blowhard you go for what's behind door two.
This thread was about one of our own being unfairly treated for no good reason... but you used it not to express sympathy, empathy or even just a 'got your back guy' kind of comment but to go off on some rant about how profiling should be done MORE.
So now don't go all whiny and stuff... I can not stand people who can dish it out but can't take it. Ugh!
Being unfairly treated is a matter of opinion.... and I may or may not agree that he was treated unfairly. In addition, I stated that profiling sometimes can be abused... I wasn't there at any of the times this brother was pulled over, so I don't know if it was abused or not. And to come forward with a "got your back" type response would be disingenuous when I personally don't know what happened, I only know his side of the story, and overall I am in favor of profiling.
I was not responding to this brother's particular circumstances, as I wasn't there and only have one side of the story. Since the Thread was entitled "Profiling", then I was led to believe the discussion was of the loftier subject of Profiling overall... and my opinion is that overall I have no issue with profiling when done correctly, even if part of the component of the profiling is just dealing with race.
Your comment about dish and take it holds no water. I never once personally maligned anyone in this thread, but spoke to my beliefs about profiling. You were the one who made it personal, therefore you are comparing apples and oranges.
In the end, it would appear that there are times that you have appointed yourself as the opinion police, and that you decide what the appropriate response to certain threads are... and if those posting their opinions do not comply with what you think is the right opinion, then you lash out with your venom and vitriole in personal attacks of their character and even their walk with God. Dear Sister, I entered this thread to provide my opinion on profiling, and did so. If opposing opinions, expressed in an adult, and civil manner are not appropriate within this forum, then someone needs to update the guidelines for new users.
Being unfairly treated is a matter of opinion.... and I may or may not agree that he was treated unfairly. In addition, I stated that profiling sometimes can be abused... I wasn't there at any of the times this brother was pulled over, so I don't know if it was abused or not. And to come forward with a "got your back" type response would be disingenuous when I personally don't know what happened, I only know his side of the story, and overall I am in favor of profiling.
I was not responding to this brother's particular circumstances, as I wasn't there and only have one side of the story. Since the Thread was entitled "Profiling", then I was led to believe the discussion was of the loftier subject of Profiling overall... and my opinion is that overall I have no issue with profiling when done correctly, even if part of the component of the profiling is just dealing with race.
Your comment about dish and take it holds no water. I never once personally maligned anyone in this thread, but spoke to my beliefs about profiling. You were the one who made it personal, therefore you are comparing apples and oranges.
In the end, it would appear that there are times that you have appointed yourself as the opinion police, and that you decide what the appropriate response to certain threads are... and if those posting their opinions do not comply with what you think is the right opinion, then you lash out with your venom and vitriole in personal attacks of their character and even their walk with God. Dear Sister, I entered this thread to provide my opinion on profiling, and did so. If opposing opinions, expressed in an adult, and civil manner are not appropriate within this forum, then someone needs to update the guidelines for new users.
Good Lord you are as dry as a day old bisquit.
If you consider that I lashed out at you, you are mistaken. I meant what I said. I considered it before posting. It was not knee jerk at all and I am not sorry, even now.
I do not get paid to be unfailingly polite on internet message boards. I participate for my own enjoyment and to give an honest assesment when I feel it may help someone. And Bro. I think you need help.
That is all.
Oh and I see you quoted me before my edit which must have been going on simultaineously. Please see the revised post.
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I can assure you that there is no greater multi sided story. I was never speeding or breaking any laws and I was tailed for quite a distance and eventually pulled over with a half cocked reason. What I've discovered is that people are generally big fans of the sort of intrusion and profiling...until it affects them. I guess as long as you can live with it whenever they decide that fundamental christians or another group that you belong to are now a threat to the American way of life...
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