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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

So Brother Wendell doesn't believe it takes the full New Birth to be saved anymore?

Has Suber also accepted this?

The statement you quoted was from Shane West's church website.

Originally Posted by philjones

I have also found a weakening of the PAJC position in Bro. Phillips statements lately.

You'll be happy to know that he still believes that if you don't have the Holy Ghost (IOW: speak in tongues) you're going to split the gates of hell wide open with your deep fried carcass.


He also believes that if you leave 'his church' you left God.

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[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The statement you quoted was from Shane West's church website.

The Church of Champions is mentioned in the quote--

FROM CHURCH BELIEF STATEMENT:

Salvation

We believe that Jesus Christ, by His sufferings, by the shedding of His own blood, and by His death on the Cross, made a full atonement for all human sin, and that this Atonement is the only ground of salvation! We believe that repentance, which is a sincere and thorough change of the mind in regard to sin, involving a sense of personal guilt and a voluntary turning away from sin, is demanded of all who have by act or purpose become sinners against God. The Spirit of God gives to all who will repent the gracious help of penitence of heart and hope of mercy, that they may believe unto pardon and spiritual life, walking in obedience to the Word of God.

Water Baptism
Christians are people who believe that the blood of Jesus Christ, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. Therefore, salvation occurs only when a person places his or her faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the sufficient payment for his or her sin. The Church of Champions believe that all believers, in obedience to God’s Word are to be baptized by immersion in the Name of The Lord, thus being buried with Christ in baptism, which was commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ himself, being a command signifying acceptance of the benefits of the atonement and faith in Jesus Christ.

Is there a mix of quotes from two different sites strung together?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

CS,

What is bizarre is that you have tried to beat this horse before ....

If you would like to know what the church states as its beliefs .... it's spelled out clearly ... http://champ.org/info.asp?cid=9



BTW, there are folks coming to Christ at our church weekly .... Many are being restored through Emmaus ....

I have been attending since mid November of last year.... and they believe and preach Acts 2:38, and the rest of the Bible too.

I've also realized that not all churches have an Acts 2:38 parade every week .... to reaffirm just one of the many truths about God.

I have not attended our visitor's class .... since I've been saved since 1981 .... but if you would like me to forward you a copy .... I could.

Dan,

You said you attend this man's church, but don't have a handle on his soteriological beliefs.

You don't see what a completely bizarre statement that is?

How does that happen?

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

The Church of Champions is mentioned in the quote--



Is there a mix of quotes from two different sites strung together?

Both Churches, one in TN and the other in TX .... have the same name.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Both Churches one in TN and the other in TX .... have the same name.

I see. Thanks for the clarification.

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Dan,

You said you attend this man's church, but don't have a handle on his soteriological beliefs.

You don't see what a completely bizarre statement that is?

How does that happen?

Sir I dont have a complete handle on his soteriological views .... it is possible to attend a church and not know every detail of someone's eschatological, hamartiological, etc.

I know he teaches the Bible ... and bible salvation ... He also stresses our salvation is not a one-stop .... or a 3 stop shop .... but a relationship with Jesus Christ ...

I will not attend a church that only stresses God's salvation as a magic pill.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Sir I dont have a complete handle on his soteriological views .... it is possible to attend a church and not know every detail of someone's eschatological, hamartiological, etc.

I know he teaches the Bible ... and bible salvation ... He also stresses our salvation is not a one-stop .... or a 3 stop shop .... but a relationship with Jesus Christ ...

I will not attend a church that only stresses God's salvation as a magic pill.

Eschatology is one thing, but salvation is absolutely basic.

I don't know anybody that preaches salvation as a magic pill, or that doesn't teach that relationship is necessary.

There is obviously a great gulf between philosophical viewpoints regarding the plan of salvation when it comes to WH and most of the Apostolic movement.

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Eschatology is one thing, but salvation is absolutely basic.

I don't know anybody that preaches salvation as a magic pill, or that doesn't teach that relationship is necessary.

There is obviously a great gulf between philosophical viewpoints regarding the plan of salvation when it comes to WH and most of the Apostolic movement.

Perhaps you're not looking close enough ... CS ... or refuse to examine how some in the Apostolic movement are teaching salvation ... or perhaps you would rather continue to focus on WH.