Crossdressing...Just how does a woman participate?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Lacey

and what about the skirts bought in the men's section?

I may consider it if it looked good, but then there are a lot of styles that I just don't like personally.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I highlighted the wrong portion? Yes I read the end. The point is what you posted was self contradicory.

God did not want a man to "gird their loins". He was telling someone, Job, to gird his loins like a man. It was not a law or commandment in Deut or Numbers. Girding Loins was something done when someone was going to be working or fighting or running, because they wore long robe like garments

4 tn Heb "Gird up your loins." This idiom basically describes taking the hem of the long garment or robe and pulling it up between the legs and tucking it into the front of the belt, allowing easier and freer movement of the legs. "Girding the loins" meant the preparation for some difficult task (Jer_1:17), or for battle (Isa_5:27), or for running (1Ki_18:46). C. Gordon suggests that it includes belt-wrestling, a form of hand-to-hand mortal combat (see HUCA 23 [1950/51]: 136)

and awesome example of the rules of hermanutics, this is starting to be fun

[Cindy]

Whew, what a great discussion.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Narrow Is The Way

You highlighted the wrong portion, read the end of that post. Within the application we see how the Lord wants a man is to wear his garment. "LIKE A MAN" not like some men, like a man.

This was not a commandment from God to men telling them how he wants them to dress. Seriously? If it was, they continued to ignore him for thousands of years since they continued to wear robes.

God was telling them - "Be a man! Get ready for battle!!" When men went to battle they girded their loins since it was easier to move around that way.

Context, context, context. We shouldn't take God's words out of context to try to prove a loved tradition.

[*AQuietPlace*]

For thousands and thousands of years men and women both wore robes. In our current (western) culture men and women both wear pants.


(In other parts of the world, men still wear robes or skirt-like garments:

"Outside of Western cultures, male clothing includes skirts and skirt-like garments.[3] One common form is a single sheet of fabric folded and wrapped around the waist, such as the dhoti or lungi in India, and sarong in South and Southeast Asia. There are different varieties and names of sarong depending on whether the ends are sewn together or simply tied.

Some long robes also resemble a skirt or dress, including the Middle Eastern and North African caftan and djellaba.

Other similar garments worn by men around the world include the Greek and Balkan fustanella (a short flared cotton skirt), the Pacific lava-lava (similar to a sarong), some forms of Japanese hakama and the Bhutanese gho.

Skirts that are called qun(裙) or chang(裳) in Chinese were also worn by ancient Chinese men.")


If it was okay for thousands of years (and when the Bible was written) for men and women to wear the same basic garment, why is it suddenly a sin now? We really need to bear in mind that when the Bible was written men and women both wore the same type of garment! We can't twist the Bible and try to make it say something it's not saying just to back up our traditions. Or at least we shouldn't.

Men and women used to both wear robes, now men and women both wear pants - in our culture. Not seeing the difference.

[ILG]

In certain places, if a woman wore a kilt, she could be cross dressing.

[*AQuietPlace*]

There's a woman at work who wears men's clothing. How do I know that? I mean, standing right beside her is another woman wearing pants. So how in the WORLD do I know that one woman is wearing men's clothes and the other is not???

Because they're men's clothes. Men's pants, a man's shirt, men's shoes, man's belt. There are subtle differences in all of these things, between men's and women's. And it's pretty easily spotted.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by ILG

In certain places, if a woman wore a kilt, she could be cross dressing.

That is true...culture is a strange thing. I once visited an indian tribe in Guatemala and the men had skirts on (it probably was not called skirts) I did not doubt they were men...

I think our Lord would have us ladies be ladies and men be men...no one has ever asked me if I was a man...

I have seen ladies in skirts that acted manly...so....

and for those that like to read into everything I say...I am not saying for men to dress like women or visa versa...I am just saying act like what you are and no one will confuse you with the opposite sex.

Lol...where is common sense in Pentecost? We sure have a lot of far out opinions sometimes...I have heard some men say women that preached were cross dresses in the eyes of God...and all kinds of slander.

I don't care for "funny" men or "funny" women....however...

The call is to be like Jesus...Oh, may He help me I come so short...

[Narrow Is The Way]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Oh, and women aren't in the fight of their lives? Their souls? Problem with MY logic? You are making things up as you go along. lol.

So, according to you, men are in salvation because they are FIGHTING, while women have nothing to do with FIGHTING the fight of faith. Women do not have to fight for their souls, for it's only the fight of MEN'S LIVES/SOULS. No wonder you believe what you do.

No no no no you have missed it again. It is referring to a male. A male warrior, a valiant MAN. That is the whole problem, you don't know the difference between a man and a woman. God made them different, but you are allowing for them to dress the same.

[Narrow Is The Way]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

For thousands and thousands of years men and women both wore robes. In our current (western) culture men and women both wear pants.


(In other parts of the world, men still wear robes or skirt-like garments:

"Outside of Western cultures, male clothing includes skirts and skirt-like garments.[3] One common form is a single sheet of fabric folded and wrapped around the waist, such as the dhoti or lungi in India, and sarong in South and Southeast Asia. There are different varieties and names of sarong depending on whether the ends are sewn together or simply tied.

Some long robes also resemble a skirt or dress, including the Middle Eastern and North African caftan and djellaba.

Other similar garments worn by men around the world include the Greek and Balkan fustanella (a short flared cotton skirt), the Pacific lava-lava (similar to a sarong), some forms of Japanese hakama and the Bhutanese gho.

Skirts that are called qun(裙) or chang(裳) in Chinese were also worn by ancient Chinese men.")


If it was okay for thousands of years (and when the Bible was written) for men and women to wear the same basic garment, why is it suddenly a sin now? We really need to bear in mind that when the Bible was written men and women both wore the same type of garment! We can't twist the Bible and try to make it say something it's not saying just to back up our traditions. Or at least we shouldn't.

Men and women used to both wear robes, now men and women both wear pants - in our culture. Not seeing the difference.

Somebody has lied to you telling you there was no difference in the robes that were wore.
The male robes had breaches.

Here is some more info. from Rabbi Shraga Simmons


MEN'S CLOTHING AND WOMEN'S CLOTHING

Even though in the old days everyone wore robes, the robes made for men were different than the robes made for women. Therefore, if a man were to wear a woman's robes (or vice versa) they would be in violation of the Torah commandment that states: "Male garb shall not be on a woman, and a man shall not wear a feminine garment, for anyone who does so is an abomination of the Almighty." (Deuteronomy 22:5)

The Book of Mitzvah Education, Sefer HaChinuch, explains that the purpose of this mitzvah is to help maintain a separation between the sexes. If, however, men and women were to wear each other's clothing, they would eventually become intermingled with each other constantly until they would be so mixed together they would fall into licentiousness. (The Book of Mitzvah Education, Sefer HaChinuch #542)