An abuse of authority???? - Page 8

deltaguitar · #71 07-12-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

He has a control issue?

He thinks the way to keep saints on the straight and narrow is to preach on sin over and over and over instead of feeding the flock in such a way as to nurture and nourish them that they will automatically be avoiding these sins?

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Ya know, I hear these stories so often about pastors doing stuff like this that I am wondering if it is nothing but urban legend. However if it was or is true I would join a church who had a pastor like this just to give him stuff to be paranoid about. LOL

I went to church in Mississippi. So I guess it is just the rednecks.

Praxeas · #72 07-12-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I went to church in Mississippi. So I guess it is just the rednecks.

The only churches I know that were like that around here, left the UPC

And before they left they did not associate with other UPCs except their small small circle of like minded churches

kingdomapostle · #73 07-12-2011, 03:57 PM

Yes Praxeas I agree. IMO I think that the Pastor was actually attempting to use caution. Although they DID mention specific things this person is known to do, it was general enough to not pin-point them, unless you were following closely (in which I was). The pictures and events the Pastor referrenced were almost a year old (I think) so it was not "current" events.
As far as the Pastor and the Christian- they have been known to exchange dialogue concerning a variety of issues and although they may differ in opinion, prior to this incident, the discussions were always friendly. I do know that after the Christian showed that he was offended, the Pastor DID try to take it to the inbox for further discussion, but it did not go too far. It seemed that the Christian wanted a "show down" at that point, and was unwilling to hear anyone after that point (in which I understand they were offended and felt justified for their behavior).

Sigh...

Even if it was preached about, I'm not sure it would have gone any differently...they know many of the same people...the town is NOT that big.

kingdomapostle · #74 07-12-2011, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

The only churches I know that were like that around here, left the UPC

And before they left they did not associate with other UPCs except their small small circle of like minded churches

The Pastor is not UPC and neither is the Christian.

Just FYI

kingdomapostle · #75 07-12-2011, 04:07 PM

Found this:

Tips for correcting a disciple

· Pray (and pray some more)
· Know the circumstances
· Go to the source (third party triangles will always get you in trouble)
· Ask questions
· Don’t accuse
· Help them understand and own their failure
· Give examples of the infractions
· Share your own struggles in that particular area
· Use Scripture when appropriate
· Be gentle (Chuck Wood’s definition of gentleness: using only the amount of pressure to get the object to move)
· Pick you battles wisely
· Earn the right to be heard
· Use encouragement more often than correction

What do you all think?

deafdriscoll · #76 07-12-2011, 04:08 PM

The leaders of the jewish church choose not to eat with the gentiles.
barnabas and peter also got caught up in this and when they were with other jews they too choose to only eat with jews.
Now, paul seeing this rebuked them in public not private.
If you do something in public everybody sees it. Close the sin down right away. If we claim to be a believer we have to live to a higher standard.
facebook is public, eveybody sees the display. The pastor is responsible for his people. If he feels that a sin needs to stop and it is effecting his people he needs to speak out against it.
When the Gov. banned the 10 commandments and school prayer the church did not fight it.
Then came abortion and gay marriage, we can not remain silent.
What are you afraid of, a few bad words? hot dog the Romans used to throw christians to the lions and crucify them. paul had his head cut off.
A few bad words and slander really is not going to hurt you.

Praxeas · #77 07-12-2011, 04:09 PM

Good. I would add to be aware of an individual that is humble and an individual that is proud.

If it seems as if they are just fighting and not receiving, just make your point and move on. Don't keep arguing with them

kingdomapostle · #78 07-12-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Good. I would add to be aware of an individual that is humble and an individual that is proud.

If it seems as if they are just fighting and not receiving, just make your point and move on. Don't keep arguing with them

What I saw was honestly one sided. I saw a Pastor trying to handle the manner discretly while the Christian was trying to drag the Pastor out on the carpet on the grounds of exposing an abuse of power. Even when the discussion became public, the Pastor continued to show love saying "well we disagree but lets walk in love..etc. while the Christian continued with slander. The insults and profanities that were spoken by this Christian should not even be MENTIONED among the saints, let alone spoken to another child of God. It was vulgar, profane, disrespectful (of which the Christian exclaimed that he would never again respect that Pastor) and even "warned his followers about following such a person blindly." He exclaimed that he had found the truth out about this Pastor, called names, and even made mockery of their ministry. It was very troubling, almost demonic (and Im not the type that sees demons around every corner).

This Pastor is respected and although they can be strict concerning holy living..etc. they are not mean spirited. Even with this they handled it with a lot of grace (as much grace as this type of thing one could)...after all it was public and exposed to EVERYONE.

kingdomapostle · #79 07-12-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I think the "Christian in question" revealed something about his or herself in the process

It was horrible. Yes, they did.

kingdomapostle · #80 07-12-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

That's how we correct our border collie when he needs it (which is all the time) but I don't think adults need that same instant "Shhhhhh!" with the simultaneous snap of the finger that made Cesar Millan famous.

Perhaps not. I don't think it went to that extreme though. Point taken, it was said in public, it was handled in public. That was the ONLY comparison I was making.