James Kilgore's Part in the 92 Affirmation Debacle - Page 8

POWERUP · #71 04-05-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

They are being true to their beliefs. Its not their fault. Have you just dropped the standard or acts 2:38 as a whole? Just to understand their frame of reference

Well........... Lets see..........standards..........yes......Acts 2:38... No...

However, you know it always has to be a however. Do I believe Acts 2:38
is the only way to be saved? No! I haven't thrown the baby out with the
water, so to speak, but I still believe it like always.

Im just not going to condemm if you for not speaking in tongues.....

Thats it in a nut shell......... Appreciate your spirit Bro.

onefaith2 · #72 04-05-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by POWERUP

Well........... Lets see..........standards..........yes......Acts 2:38... No...

However, you know it always has to be a however. Do I believe Acts 2:38
is the only way to be saved? No! I haven't thrown the baby out with the
water, so to speak, but I still believe it like always.

Im just not going to condemm if you for not speaking in tongues.....

Thats it in a nut shell......... Appreciate your spirit Bro.

Me either, thats God's decision, not mine and I see at least one in scripture that made it. Do I believe everyone should have the Holy Ghost. An emphatic Yes!

Thanks

POWERUP · #73 04-05-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Me either, thats God's decision, not mine and I see at least one in scripture that made it. Do I believe everyone should have the Holy Ghost. An emphatic Yes!

Thanks

Do you remember the Watkins from Morton, Ms. ? He pastored there for
right at 35 yrs......... His son is the pastor now......

Anyway, that was my Grandfather........ He served on the district board
for yrs.

That is until he got tired of all the politics!!!!!!!!!!!!

A great man of God, and my best friend............

Apprehended · #74 04-05-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by canam

Speaking of Bro Chambers get a copy of his sermon that he preached in Atlantic City(1968) after he was voted in as GS "Will the UPC repeat history" and the answer is yes ,it already did.

Thank you. I think that I might still have a copy of it. In fact, I was there when he preached it back in the 1970s. It became his hallmark message by which he is most remembered.

Apprehended · #75 04-05-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76

Here's a thought.
Would it have been better for the UPC to have taken a hard line in enforcing the AS after it was passed?
You would then have probably had two organizations, one nationally focused and conservative and one locally focused and moderate.
They both would have probably been stronger and larger than the UPC is today.
Thoughts?

Just the opposite would have had that affect.

The UPC should have taken a more liberal position that a seclusive spirit would have been allowed to prevail while at the same time giving each District under leaders such as Paul Price all the liberty to take as staunch conservative position as they deemed good for their district.

In other words, a Pentecostal denomination should take a strong stand on what is the right doctrine in regards to salvation while leaving matters of opinionated holiness considerations to districts. Styles and fashions that are not spelled out in scripture and all other extraneous matters in regard to holiness that are not specifically spelled out in scripture should be left to the discretion of the districts.

onefaith2 · #76 04-05-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by POWERUP

Do you remember the Watkins from Morton, Ms. ? He pastored there for
right at 35 yrs......... His son is the pastor now......

Anyway, that was my Grandfather........ He served on the district board
for yrs.

That is until he got tired of all the politics!!!!!!!!!!!!

A great man of God, and my best friend............

Yes where is he now?

POWERUP · #77 04-05-2011, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Yes where is he now?

Sorry to tell you, but he went onto to his reward in May of 2007.

He had a beautiful service........

Chateau d'If · #78 04-05-2011, 09:21 PM

I sometimes believe we may have overestimated the numeric impact of the Westberg resolution.

onefaith2 · #79 04-06-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by POWERUP

Sorry to tell you, but he went onto to his reward in May of 2007.

He had a beautiful service........

Thanks for telling me and I'm sorry to hear that. We've lost a lot of good men of God in recent years. He would be one of them.

pelathais · #80 04-06-2011, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

I sometimes believe we may have overestimated the numeric impact of the Westberg resolution.

I think that the "numeric impact" is difficult to gauge.

The Westberg Resolution affected the climate and culture of the UPC quite negatively. While it may be difficult to identify very large numbers of ministers and churches who left specifically because of that resolution, it's pretty easy to count up some rather large numbers of people who left over time because of the climate and culture of the UPC.

People leave in droves all of the time, not just ministers. We work really hard and build up some numbers temporarily in places, then BAM! We try and get everyone to buckle under the Westberg style "rules" and "standards" and we've got a tiny little church again.

Our movement certainly has a problem with its bowel movements, in LW's way of putting it.