Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Thats why Peter said what he did in 1 Peter 3,

baptism is not washing the filth of the flesh, its the answer of a good conscience toward God

Paul taught when we died we are put into Christ's death. Baptism deals with the remission of sins, not the remission of your sins

Baptism deals with the sin nature, repentance deals with sins themselves.

What does the Spirit do with sin nature? What role does Spirit get?

Sorry, OT, it just sounds so convoluted to me. It's an answer of good conscience toward God and also remission of sins (but not our own because repentance does that part of the saving)?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

haven't you ever heard of saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost?

Thank you, Carlton Pearson/Carmen Reunion

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Yes which means to share in the kingdom of heaven, eternal life, so that you and I don't hear, Depart from me, on that day of Judgement.

Huh?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Timmy

See, there's saved, and then there's really saved. There is probably also really, really saved. Etc.

At one time, the RCC had a system where you could pay ahead and be Super Duper Saved.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Socialite

What does the Spirit do with sin nature? What role does Spirit get?

Sorry, OT, it just sounds so convoluted to me. It's an answer of good conscience toward God and also remission of sins (but not our own because repentance does that part of the saving)?

Romans 8:11 shows me what the Spirit does.

Think for a moment. We were born into a sin nature. Sin nature doesn't condemn us but the sin does. So in repentance the blood of Jesus forgives us of our sin. But we still are dominated by our sin nature. That is why Paul said, what shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized, were baptized into his death? Paul teaches us that conversion doesn't just deal with our sins, but baptism also deals with the sin nature (that the old man may be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin)

Do you follow me so far?

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Huh?

Yes which means to share in the kingdom of heaven, eternal life, so that you and I don't hear, Depart from me, on that day of Judgement.


Share in the kingdom of heaven (lead others to Christ and declare his name and his righteousness)

Share in eternal life (receive a just reward on the merit of Christ to live with Him eternally)

You and I don't hear, Depart from me.

Matthew 7

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the person who does what my Father in heaven wants. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name? Didn’t we force out demons and do many miracles by the power and authority of your name?’ 23Then I will tell them publicly, ‘I’ve never known you. Get away from me, you evil people.’

Build on the Rock—Luke 6:47–49
24“Therefore, everyone who hears what I say and obeys it will be like a wise person who built a house on rock.

You and I wouldn't want to be among these folk

[Socialite]

So it's share the Gospel or perish?

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Socialite

So it's share the Gospel or perish?

Share in the gospel or perish.


However some believe if you don't reach out to win souls, you are lost because you are guilty of hiding your light, etc. I don't believe that but it could lead to that. We should not be ashamed of Jesus.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Romans 8:11 shows me what the Spirit does.

Think for a moment. We were born into a sin nature. Sin nature doesn't condemn us but the sin does. So in repentance the blood of Jesus forgives us of our sin. But we still are dominated by our sin nature. That is why Paul said, what shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized, were baptized into his death? Paul teaches us that conversion doesn't just deal with our sins, but baptism also deals with the sin nature (that the old man may be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin)

Do you follow me so far?

Romans 8:11 So the Spirit is just so one day I can be resurrected? That's it? I think Pentecostal pneumatology is a little more robust than that

So if I no longer have a sin nature, it's completely gone away with because of baptism (I think you are stretching Paul's point that we should "be who we are"), then why do I still sin?

[Austin]

This subject matter is getting way out there from the scriptures. I'm out!