I'm being bewitched.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Aquila, try being an exceptional person for a change.

Yes actually people can be delusional and it has nothing to do with voodoo spirits and hocus pocus. It happens quite a lot. Not everything is about demon spirits Aquila. There isn't a spirit under every rock or hiding behind every tree. I've noticed that people that THINK that way end up experiencing more "spiritual" trouble than others.

As I said, and you completely missed, their problems could be either delusional OR...if their troubles are spiritual it has nothing to do with someone else targeting them but they themselves open themselves to that kind of trouble by allowing them. By having that attitude.

Mostly agree. There is legitimate spiritual "stuff" that goes on, but focusing on it tends to lead to much, much more "stuff" that may or may not be spiritual. Sometimes, stuff just happens (the glass shattering could truly go either way, power outages, etc, etc) and sometimes stuff is caused to happen by outside interference.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Aquila, try being an exceptional person for a change.

Hey Prax, lay off the personal attack bro. Just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean that they are bad people. I believe you're a secure guy, you can handle it.

Yes actually people can be delusional and it has nothing to do with voodoo spirits and hocus pocus. It happens quite a lot. Not everything is about demon spirits Aquila. There isn't a spirit under every rock or hiding behind every tree. I've noticed that people that THINK that way end up experiencing more "spiritual" trouble than others.

I agree. In fact, well over half of the times I've been told about something, there wasn't anything there. However, I took their word for it and looked into it with them first.

As I said, and you completely missed, their problems could be either delusional OR...if their troubles are spiritual it has nothing to do with someone else targeting them but they themselves open themselves to that kind of trouble by allowing them. By having that attitude.

I generally take a person's word for it. I'm not the kind of doctor who if you come into my office complaining of knee pain, starts telling you it's in your head. I'm going to flex that knee. I'm going to see how much weight you can bare on it. I'm going to get some x-rays if possible. Dont just dismiss someone's experiences out of hand and redefine them. L-i-s-t-e-n to them. If their intuition or spiritual sense of danger is causing them to fear they've been bewitched... give them some credit. You can't go wrong starting with their premise. However, if after looking into it you feel the Holy Ghost tell you that it's the pizza they had last night or that they are opening themselves up to something unhealthy... you can address that then.

Here's the $100,000 question:

Do you believe that Kayl is delusional?

The believer might be... but I'll take their word for it before dismissing it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Now... we can either accuse this saint of being delusional, we can also blame her for having a delusional dog. Or... we can choose to BELIEVE her and if we were ministering to her... investigate it.

Aquila thinks "delusion" means "lying" for some odd reason. I choose to believer her Aquila, for the sake of this discussion, and I offered 2 possible causes.

I had a friend that had schizophrenia. Every time he brought up some weird event that happened and I questioned him on it, he concluded I was saying he lied. Delusional people are not liars.

Not every delusion is the result of mental illness either.

Im not "accusing" anyone of anything. Not everything is an accusation unless you wear your emotions on your sleeves and see everything someone says is an accusation.

If this person IS delusional or these events are the result of delusions, that person still needs help resolving them. So your "accusation" drama is not helpful in ministering to her either.

If it's a spiritual thing and her mindset is what allowed these things to happen, that still needs to be addressed and your "accusation" drama is not helpful in ministering to her.

As another person said in response to my questions and for some odd reason you agreed with her, while contradicting that agreement in responding to my question...these ARE good questions and need to be considered just as much as your bewitching theories

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Hey Prax, lay off the personal attack bro. Just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean that they are bad people. I believe you're a secure guy, you can handle it.

I don't think you are a bad person. It's a completely different issue than morality that I have to deal with in your posts

I agree. In fact, well over half of the times I've been told about something, there wasn't anything there. However, I took their word for it and looked into it with them first.

All I did was took her word for it and offered 2 possible solutions.

I generally take a person's word for it.

I took her word for it. Again please try to be exceptional just for the sake of discussion.

So... here's the $100,000 question. Do you believe that Kayl is delusional?

I don't have any idea. I offered two possibilities for "supernatural" occurrences people experience and you concluded I was making an accusation.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Mostly agree. There is legitimate spiritual "stuff" that goes on, but focusing on it tends to lead to much, much more "stuff" that may or may not be spiritual. Sometimes, stuff just happens (the glass shattering could truly go either way, power outages, etc, etc) and sometimes stuff is caused to happen by outside interference.

Exactly. We can make things much more than they really are.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Aquila thinks "delusion" means "lying" for some odd reason. I choose to believer her Aquila, for the sake of this discussion, and I offered 2 possible causes.

I never said "lying" Prax. Relax.

I had a friend that had schizophrenia. Every time he brought up some weird event that happened and I questioned him on it, he concluded I was saying he lied. Delusional people are not liars.

True. Do you think Kayl or her dog are schizophrenic?

Not every delusion is the result of mental illness either.

True.

Im not "accusing" anyone of anything. Not everything is an accusation unless you wear your emotions on your sleeves and see everything someone says is an accusation.

I don't think if you feel Kayl is delusional you're accusing her. It's just your conclusion on the issue.

If this person IS delusional or these events are the result of delusions, that person still needs help resolving them. So your "accusation" drama is not helpful in ministering to her either.

Relax Prax, let's not have a communication melt down here. lol

If it's a spiritual thing and her mindset is what allowed these things to happen, that still needs to be addressed and your "accusation" drama is not helpful in ministering to her.

I'm just giving her the benefit of a doubt. Shared some of my experiences and directed her to her pastoral leadership in PM. That's all.

As another person said in response to my questions and for some odd reason you agreed with her, while contradicting that agreement in responding to my question...these ARE good questions and need to be considered just as much as your bewitching theories

They are great questions to consider. That's true. I'm just sharing my thoughts Prax.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't think you are a bad person. It's a completely different issue than morality that I have to deal with in your posts


All I did was took her word for it and offered 2 possible solutions.


I took her word for it. Again please try to be exceptional just for the sake of discussion.


I don't have any idea. I offered two possibilities for "supernatural" occurrences people experience and you concluded I was making an accusation.

While you and I both know you're not really accusing her of being delusional... don't you think suggesting that a person might be delusional might sound like an accusation to them?

My conclusion to Kayl's issue:

Follow your intitution. If you feel in your spirit that something "strange" is happening, treat it seriously. It might be your imagination. But don't just let it go.

Your contribution:

Kayl, not accusing you or anything, but you might be delusional. lol

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Exactly. We can make things much more than they really are.

Very true.

We can also ignore something serious by assuming it's much less than it really is.

That's why I advocate investigation.

[kayl]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Very true.

We can also ignore something serious by assuming it's much less than it really is.

That's why I advocate investigation.

I appreciate your thoughts on this. Nothing has happened since I made this thread. Thanks for not accusing me of being dillusional, like Praxeas did.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I never said "lying" Prax. Relax.

You implied it, chill out.

I don't think if you feel Kayl is delusional you're accusing her. It's just your conclusion on the issue.

Yes I know that's what you think. I know you very well Aquila lol. You probably think if someone goes to the Doctors with a 102 fever and the doctor says "you have the flu", he is accusing that patient of being sick. That's why I said what I said Aquila. Not everything is an accusation.

I'm just giving her the benefit of a doubt. Shared some of my experiences and directed her to her pastoral leadership in PM. That's all.

I didn't accuse her of lying or being a liar. I gave her the benefit of the doubt too, believed that she is relaying her experiences honestly. Delusions are not lies. People believe they are really experiencing things or believe things are real or really happening.

A person that is deluded is not necessarily lying.

Second, I did not accuse her of lying, being delusional or anything else.

I simply stated my opinion on things of this nature