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07-22-2010, 03:26 PM
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Re: Was King James a homosexual??
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Speaking of being gay or straight, you said
If MOST people swing that way, then I am in the minority. I NEVER ever felt any urge to prefer or show interest in other men. WHEW!
Sorry, I do not believe that claim you referred to.
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I'll give you my response in KJV English...
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet)
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07-22-2010, 03:35 PM
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Re: Was King James a homosexual??
No, seriously Rev. Blume...
Psychologists say that the average person tends to fluctuate slightly in the spectrum of interests and even sometimes preferences. Obviously these individuals are not filled with the Holy Ghost and walking after the Spirit.
I can relate to your feelings on this one. That's why we feel comfortable with Christianity, namely the more conservative branches like Apostolic Pentecost. Most who fluctuate don't stick around our circles very long.
Now, I'm wondering why you felt you had to defend your self so strongly when my comment was made in an attempt to strike balance in judging the life of a dead man like King James? Do you feel strangely uncomfortable with what the "psychologists" say? Are you secure in your own preferences? Hmmm.... Tell me about your mother.
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07-22-2010, 03:37 PM
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Re: Was King James a homosexual??
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I'll give you my response in KJV English...
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet) 
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In such a case as this I will always protest TOO MUCH!  However, I think it can never be enough.
Those psychologists seem to want to unreasonably make homosexuality an acceptable form of lifestyle, in my opinion, by such statements.
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07-22-2010, 03:40 PM
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Re: Was King James a homosexual??
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In such a case as this I will always protest TOO MUCH!  However, I think it can never be enough. 
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Those psychologists seem to want to unreasonably make homosexuality an acceptable form of lifestyle, in my opinion, by such statements.
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No... it's just the way of natural unregenerated human beings Rev. They have a sin issue... like each and every one of us.
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07-22-2010, 03:53 PM
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Re: Was King James a homosexual??
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No... it's just the way of natural unregenerated human beings Rev. They have a sin issue... like each and every one of us.
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I would disagree. I think psychologists are throwing bogus numbers out. I would like to see the actual questionnaire that they are basing these opinions on. When I was in University I heard a number of times that 1 in 10 people were gay. They would say, "Look at the 9 people beside you. One of you is gay." I didn't find that to be true in real life talking to people and that was in a secular university were everything goes (ie full of "unregenerated human beings") and no one cares what you do. Sometimes the questions on these surveys are really open for interpretation. Something like “Have you ever thought about having gay sex?” While yea… but then I threw up.
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07-22-2010, 04:03 PM
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Re: Was King James a homosexual??
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I would disagree. I think psychologists are throwing bogus numbers out. I would like to see the actual questionnaire that they are basing these opinions on. When I was in University I heard a number of times that 1 in 10 people were gay. They would say, "Look at the 9 people beside you. One of you is gay." I didn't find that to be true in real life talking to people and that was in a secular university were everything goes (ie full of "unregenerated human beings") and no one cares what you do. Sometimes the questions on these surveys are really open for interpretation. Something like “Have you ever thought about having gay sex?” While yea… but then I threw up.
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My point is that psychology is fallen man studying fallen man using methods developed by fallen man... and finding out that men are fallen! lol That's why I don't freak out.
I'm pretty secure in my manhood. So I rarely see a need for me to do chest beating against people who are lost without a savior who died for them. I have a lot of compassion and sorrow for them. Just me I guess.
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07-22-2010, 04:12 PM
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Re: Was King James a homosexual??
Just a note. I am certainly secure in my manhood, but that does not stop me from experiencing a gag reflex at the thought of homosexuality. I will never forget the repulsion I felt when I first heard of such a thing as a youth. And no one ever "touched" me or molested me so as to cause such a reaction.
Man, let's change the subject! lol
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07-22-2010, 04:48 PM
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Re: Was King James a homosexual??
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To some this might sound flaky... but humor me.
I don't think King James was gay. In most cases human sexuality is more like a spectrum than a fixed catagory. For many people (psychologists say the vast majority) their "preference" or "interest" fluctuates periodically. So, King James might have had his periodic or perhaps even brief "interest" in both areas. That doesn't mean he was "given over" to this sin.
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I don't know where you heard this but I can say I have never fluctuated. I don't believe that stuff
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-22-2010, 04:48 PM
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Re: Was King James a homosexual??
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Speaking of being gay or straight, you said
If MOST people swing that way, then I am in the minority. I NEVER ever felt any urge to prefer or show interest in other men. WHEW!
Sorry, I do not believe that claim you referred to.
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Amen
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-22-2010, 04:50 PM
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Re: Was King James a homosexual??
I never "fluctuated" before I had the Holy Ghost either
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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