How Old is the Earth?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Matthew 22:22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

I was looking for that scripture that says, "Never had any man spoken in such manner" or something like that. This is close enough..

I gotta admit I'm intrigued on your Genesis breakdown, it makes a ton of sense with what God showed me years ago about how the Law and how the weak and beggerly elements of the world were typed together symbolically..

Indeed. All creation declares His glory and His truth.

[Godsdrummer]

Here is the web site that goes into this info I am refering to. It was very informative for me at least. They put on a presentation at the UPCI church in Kennewick Wa

http://nwcreation.net/mtsthelens.html

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Here is the web site that goes into this info I am refering to. It was very informative for me at least. They put on a presentation at the UPCI church in Kennewick Wa

http://nwcreation.net/mtsthelens.html

That's some really neat footage, good link bro..

[Michael The Disciple]

It seems everywhere you go on this forum the integrity of scripture is ridiculed. Whats happening here? I wonder how many or few actually believe the Bible is the supernatural word of the true God?

Mizpeh got it right from the beginning. If I cant believe in a God that can make the Galaxies with a word how on Earth can I trust he will raise people that have been dead for thousands of years?

That will probably be the next damnable heresy to be revived. Will there REALLY be a resurrection of the dead? It probably wont be long. No wonder so many are falling away from Christ!

If scripture is merely a collection of fables any man would certainly be a fool to put any faith in it. So satans main job is to ridicule, question, and trash it.

This forum is turning into a stronghold of such activity.

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It seems everywhere you go on this forum the integrity of scripture is ridiculed. Whats happening here? I wonder how many or few actually believe the Bible is the supernatural word of the true God?

Mizpeh got it right from the beginning. If I cant believe in a God that can make the Galaxies with a word how on Earth can I trust he will raise people that have been dead for thousands of years?

That will probably be the next damnable heresy to be revived. Will there REALLY be a resurrection of the dead? It probably wont be long. No wonder so many are falling away from Christ!

If scripture is merely a collection of fables any man would certainly be a fool to put any faith in it. So satans main job is to ridicule, question, and trash it.

This forum is turning into a stronghold of such activity.

Brother nobody is saying God can't do the miraculous. In fact I'm sure if you individually asked everyone here they would say God can do anything He wants whenever He wants but that's not the point. We have simply interpreted scriptures for years in a literal sense when in fact no scriptures were ever intended to be interpreted literally in English because English didn't exist, not to mention the cultural differences as well as the sayings of thousands of years back are not the same. Way to many false doctrines exist because hardly anybody bothered to look beyond the surface of what it appears to be saying.

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Per my children's view of things... I'm old. But I'm not that old.

I wasn't there and any assumption on the age of Adam would be purely conjecture on my part and this is not how I study God's word... per my conjecture.

So the answer for me... and for you... is... "I don't know".

I agree with you that conjecture- specifically, attempting to fill in details where Scripture is silent- can get us into trouble. However, I think that in the case of Adam and understanding the level of physiological development at which God created him, it appears we do have enough evidence to come to a reasonable conclusion.

Reading from the passage Gen 2:8-23, I think we can safely draw the following conclusions:

1)- from vs. 15, we see that Adam was of sufficient development to be able to dress and keep the Garden of Eden;

2)- from vs. 16-18, it appears he was able to comprehend the commandment given to him by God regarding the prohibition against eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil;

3)- from vs. 19-20, we see he demonstrated the capacity for reasoning, for distinguishing concepts such as the varied animal types, and for creativity in naming the animals;

4)- from vs. 23, we see he had a comprehension of the idea of "self", his own physiology, and that the woman God created was an extension of his own self.

In short, he demonstrated mental comprehension at some level above that of a newborn. Therefore, I think it is safe to say God did not create him as a newborn baby, but at the very least at the level of an adult or pre-adult (teenager).

Your thoughts?

[RandyWayne]

The amount of fine tuning in our Universe which allows advanced life here on Earth to live, and thrive, is nothing less than astounding. Earth is placed at a position which is "just right" in our solar system with the "just right" amount of gas giant plants, also in the "just right" spot to keep our own world from being currently bombarded with meteors.

Our solar system is in a "just right" part of our Milkyway galaxy which in turn is in a "just right" part of our local galactic cluster.

We are living in the exact time of our Universes time were mankind can see the maximum amount of our Universes size and history -any later and we wouldn't see the farther galaxies due to increasing expansion of space (which expands faster than light) and any earlier and we would not see the light from the first galaxies after the big bang because the light would not have reaches us yet.

We also live in a VERY "just right" period of our Sun's history (of a couple of hundred thousand years) where the solar radiation is about as stable as it will be in it's 10 billion year lifespan.

Plate tectonics are tuned "just right" so as to provide maximum carbon recycling and regulation of temperatures on our planet by allowing for the best % of land mass to ocean based on erosion.

There are far far more examples but they all work on a cosmic time scale and might as well be thrown out if the whole planet was created 6 thousand years ago. Kind of short changes God don't ya think?

[Victorious]

It seems that many of you on this thread believe in either the Gap Theory or the Day-Age Theory. Both of these theories came about as nothing more than attempts to reconcile Christian belief in divine creation with the new "science" of evolution through natural processes. Paul warned Timothy to avoid "profane and vain babblings, and opposition of science falsely so called:"(I Timothy 6:20). I Peter 3:3-7 warns us of this very same type of opposition.

God knew that there would be those that would question the validity of creation, so he specified that one day would be defined by "the evening and the morning." Scientific research has declared that the Earth's(our planet) rotation on it's axis is slowing down in small increments. The rotation of Earth on it's axis determines the length of our day, as you well know. If we apply this scientific knowledge to the definition of a day in Genesis one, then it becomes safe to assume that each day of creation was no more than 24 hrs whether you believe in an age of billions of years or thousands of years. In order to validate His creation, God based the Jewish Sabbath on the 6 days of creation recorded in Genesis 1. Exodus 20:8-11 states, "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

For more scientific insight into the age of our universe especially concerning a young Earth, there are many article and books written by well educated scientist that can give scientific evidence for it. I personally read material by Dr. Henry Morris and Dr. Duane Gish. You may find them quite educational.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by DaveC519

I agree with you that conjecture- specifically, attempting to fill in details where Scripture is silent- can get us into trouble. However, I think that in the case of Adam and understanding the level of physiological development at which God created him, it appears we do have enough evidence to come to a reasonable conclusion.

Reading from the passage Gen 2:8-23, I think we can safely draw the following conclusions:

1)- from vs. 15, we see that Adam was of sufficient development to be able to dress and keep the Garden of Eden;

2)- from vs. 16-18, it appears he was able to comprehend the commandment given to him by God regarding the prohibition against eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil;

3)- from vs. 19-20, we see he demonstrated the capacity for reasoning, for distinguishing concepts such as the varied animal types, and for creativity in naming the animals;

4)- from vs. 23, we see he had a comprehension of the idea of "self", his own physiology, and that the woman God created was an extension of his own self.

In short, he demonstrated mental comprehension at some level above that of a newborn. Therefore, I think it is safe to say God did not create him as a newborn baby, but at the very least at the level of an adult or pre-adult (teenager).

Your thoughts?

He did demonstrate these things. This is without a doubt. But we have no idea if these things occurred the day after creation or 20 years after creation.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Victorious

It seems that many of you on this thread believe in either the Gap Theory or the Day-Age Theory. Both of these theories came about as nothing more than attempts to reconcile Christian belief in divine creation with the new "science" of evolution through natural processes. Paul warned Timothy to avoid "profane and vain babblings, and opposition of science falsely so called:"(I Timothy 6:20). I Peter 3:3-7 warns us of this very same type of opposition.

God knew that there would be those that would question the validity of creation, so he specified that one day would be defined by "the evening and the morning." Scientific research has declared that the Earth's(our planet) rotation on it's axis is slowing down in small increments. The rotation of Earth on it's axis determines the length of our day, as you well know. If we apply this scientific knowledge to the definition of a day in Genesis one, then it becomes safe to assume that each day of creation was no more than 24 hrs whether you believe in an age of billions of years or thousands of years. In order to validate His creation, God based the Jewish Sabbath on the 6 days of creation recorded in Genesis 1. Exodus 20:8-11 states, "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

For more scientific insight into the age of our universe especially concerning a young Earth, there are many article and books written by well educated scientist that can give scientific evidence for it. I personally read material by Dr. Henry Morris and Dr. Duane Gish. You may find them quite educational.

I don't believe in the day age theory. I do believe in the Gap Theory and that theory does nothing to reconcile evolution to the Bible. The sequence of creation laid out in Genesis is still out of sync with the "simple to complex" model expressed by evolution.

And there is no reason on earth why Genesis 1:1 can't be saying... in the beginning God created the Heaven & the Earth... and then Genesis 1:2 then be speaking of the beginning of the creation of life on this planet he created in the beginning.

This is a vast universe... God could have been doing this life creation thing millions and millions of times over in different galaxies and He still hasn't even gotten good and started yet.

This isn't a question of whether God created life in a miraculous fashion. My thoughts don't question that. This is about people wanting to be the "center of the universe" by thinking that we, some 6000 years ago, were the first creative thought God ever had even though he has been around for millions, billions, quadrillions, centillions of years. God never had a beginning. There was never a time when He was not. But he sat alone in the universe of nothingness for all of time and then... 6000 years ago... said Hey... I think I'll create a universe and so people don't think I haven't been doing anything for the last FOREVER... I'll make it look old.

This is about people wanting to be God's one and only creative thought.