See? You missed context. The context is a perfect means of remitting sins.
No it didn't. Remembrance of sins is not taking them away. The issue is remission removed very remembrance. GOD FORGETS the sin. See? You never read the context.
More prooftexting.
T, even the best of scholars are amazed at the depth of Hebrews, let alone someone who looks for fault in it.
In the time of the OT, were sins forgiven, via sacrifices?
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In the time of the OT, were sins forgiven, via sacrifices?
The issue is REMISSION.
Watch, T.
Heb 10:1-3 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. (3) But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
The issue is FORGETTING sins. No more remembrance. There was REMEMBRANCE of sin in those old sacrifices.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
In what sense are we perfected? You propose we are not perfect, so there is no difference
in the old sacrifices and Christ's. You are not reading the context.
Hebrews continues to say the CONTEXT of the thought of perfection is not what you claim it is. The writer shows the WITNESS to what he just stated as fat by referencing the Old Testament. And take a lookey at WHO FORGETS to show HOW WE ARE PERFECTED.
Heb 10:15-18 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, (16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
REMISSION OF SINS means GOD FORGETS THEM! That could not occur with the Old Testament sacrifices!!!!!!
So while you think you found fault in the Bible, you misread the context, overlooked the point of what perfection refers to, and did not realize IN HIS EYES HE PERFECTED THE PROBLEM WITH US in regards to SIN. HE FORGOT our sins, while REMEMBRANCER was made every year from God's perspective in old animal sacrifices. Where FORGETTING occurs, it is REMISSION. And where REMISSION OCCURS, no more offering is required.
It goes onto say we can therefore HAVE BOLDNESS. Not because WE ARE PERFECT in and of ourselves, but because the WORK for bringing a perfect sacrifice to bring about total remission of sins so nothing we did before we were saved is held accountable to us was accomplished. We can go boldly into the HOLIEST OF ALL, not because WE FORGET our sins, but because GOD DID and HE is all that counts, anyway.
Heb 10:19-23 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) And having an high priest over the house of God; (22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. (23) Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised; )
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Heb 10:1-3 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. (3) But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
The issue is FORGETTING sins. No more remembrance. There was REMEMBRANCE of sin in those old sacrifices.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
In what sense are we perfected? You propose we are not perfect, so there is no difference
in the old sacrifices and Christ's. You are not reading the context.
Hebrews continues to say the CONTEXT of the thought of perfection is not what you claim it is. The writer shows the WITNESS to what he just stated as fat by referencing the Old Testament. And take a lookey at WHO FORGETS to show HOW WE ARE PERFECTED.
Heb 10:15-18 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, (16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
REMISSION OF SINS means GOD FORGETS THEM! That could not occur with the Old Testament sacrifices!!!!!!
So while you think you found fault in the Bible, you misread the context, overlooked the point of what perfection refers to, and did not realize IN HIS EYES HE PERFECTED THE PROBLEM WITH US in regards to SIN. HE FORGOT our sins, while REMEMBRANCER was made every year from God's perspective in old animal sacrifices. Where FORGETTING occurs, it is REMISSION. And where REMISSION OCCURS, no more offering is required.
It goes onto say we can therefore HAVE BOLDNESS. Not because WE ARE PERFECT in and of ourselves, but because the WORK for bringing a perfect sacrifice to bring about total remission of sins so nothing we did before we were saved is held accountable to us was accomplished. We can go boldly into the HOLIEST OF ALL, not because WE FORGET our sins, but because GOD DID and HE is all that counts, anyway.
Heb 10:19-23 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) And having an high priest over the house of God; (22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. (23) Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised; )
OK. Sins were not remitted in the OT. Only by the New Covenant. Fine.
Now, a new, totally unrelated () question: Were sins forgiven in the OT?
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OK. Sins were not remitted in the OT. Only by the New Covenant. Fine.
Now, a new, totally unrelated () question: Were sins forgiven in the OT?
Were they remitted?
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Are you saying HEBREWS really is NOT illogical then? Hebrews really DOES make sense and you were mistaken?
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Are you saying HEBREWS really is NOT illogical then? Hebrews really DOES make sense and you were mistaken?
Your explanation may be correct, if there is a difference between sins being taken away (that's the wording the Hebrew, KJV, and I guess that's the same as being remitted?) and being forgiven. That's why I asked the totally unrelated (ok, not really! ) question.
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Your explanation may be correct, if there is a difference between sins being taken away (that's the wording the Hebrew, KJV, and I guess that's the same as being remitted?) and being forgiven. That's why I asked the totally unrelated (ok, not really! ) question.
Remitted is not the same as forgiveness. Remitted is better explained as follows:
Heb 10:17-18 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
You can forgive someone and not forget what they did. But forgiving and forgetting is remission.
Animal sacrifices DEPENDED upon Christ's sacrifice that was yet to occur, as far as God was concerned.
More Hebrews.
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
That is PARTLY what Hebrews also meant when about this:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Remitted is not the same as forgiveness. Remitted is better explained as follows:
Heb 10:17-18 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
You can forgive someone and not forget what they did. But forgiving and forgetting is remission.
Animal sacrifices DEPENDED upon Christ's sacrifice that was yet to occur, as far as God was concerned.
More Hebrews.
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
That is PARTLY what Hebrews also meant when about this:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Did God forgive people's sins, in the OT?
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) question: Were sins forgiven in the OT?
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