Does being Apostolic make you better?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Your Church would take someone THE SAME HOUR they accepted Christ to baptize them? I want to get this straight.

We have a large Baptist Church here in the Greater Cincinnati area that baptizes people right after they accept Jesus Christ as Savior. From what I understand, baptisms take place before the service is dismissed. I have not seen this done so my information is second hand.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Well the use of the term, "Apostolic" while excluding the rest of those who the Father has accepted makes you suspiciously close to the pharisee in the passage that Sam posted.

Well we "three step believers" are counted by most as Pharisees simply because we are trying to take the word seriously so believe what you will.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well we "three step believers" are counted by most as Pharisees simply because we are trying to take the word seriously so believe what you will.

The Pharisees were happy they had more rules and made it harder to get to God too. They took the word seriously, so seriously in fact that they were busy keeping everyone away from God.

[Baron1710]

So what does it mean when Paul can't join your ranks because he is not Apostolic enough for you?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

I have never read any word Paul wrote outside the Bible young man, have you?

How old are you, Mr Red Letter?

Your brash and harsh approach to people is not only void of love, but reminds me of my first Pastor who railroaded people as soon as he sensed failure, rebellion, or opposition. Time took care of this problem.

Your prideful arrogance is not only Cultish, it shows a great lack of humility in considering other peoples views.

It seems you have it all figured out, and that nothing can be said to stop you from burning witches at the stake.

God forbid you ever wind up in any kind of Ministry. We have enough abused Christians in the World.

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by soldoutochrist

Than those in mainstream Christianity?


Yes? No?

No.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Your Church would take someone THE SAME HOUR they accepted Christ to baptize them? I want to get this straight.

Yes, of course. Surely you're not saying yours wouldn't?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I think you're way off on this, Mizpeh. I'm disappointed. You've accused me recently of treating baptism profanely and now you're asking us to guess at something Paul might have said and use it as doctrine. I don't know where this is coming from.

29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

1) There is only one faith that was once delivered to the saints.
2) Paul taught the same salvation message as Peter and the rest of the disciples. They had the same doctrine. Paul even verified the gospel he received from the Lord with Peter in Jerusalem.
3) What was the "word of the Lord" that Paul spoke to the jailer and his house? It had to be something about Jesus dying on the cross for their sins, being buried, and rising from the dead, and judgement to come....the gospel. Why? because the jailer and his family needed to hear the gospel. The "word of the Lord" must have included everything that Peter taught in Acts 2...repentance, baptism in water and in the Spirit. Paul is going to teach the same thing he was taught by Ananias (the baptisms) because they all taught the same thing! Acts 9:17-18
4) In Acts 16, Paul spoke more words than just "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved". If salvation only consists of "believing" then baptism in the middle of the night was unnecessary.


This is what I mean by "guesstimate". Logical deduction from harmonizing the entirety of scriptures and not taking one verse alone to derive a doctrine.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

1. You know what she meant.

2. You were the one who brought up "extra-Biblical words of Paul"

3. Do you honestly feel you are in position to pick and choose which verses to follow?

The highlighted is simply not true. Mizpeh brought it up. Are you reading everything?


ps....my red letters are bigger than your red letters!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

I have never read any word Paul wrote outside the Bible young man, have you?

No, little kid, I never have.