Banned from AMF, AGAIN!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Fairness:

OhioPastor is way too quick to call people liars and excise rash action as opposed to investigating why they're upset and trying to fix the problem.

However.

If someone took a problem to a second forum to fuss about it, I would think it understandable if they permanently lost their membership at the first forum. It's one thing to say, "Hey, AMF, there's a problem; please call me/email me/PM me so we can address it."

It's another to attack the forum for banning you--not once, but twice. And totally within your rights, Jason, if that's what you want to do, but the consequence of that should be leaving the old forum behind for good! JMHO!

The consequences for Jason's complaint about being unfairly banned are that he's banned?

I don't think that's neither "fair" nor "unfair." He was banned, insulted, unfairly accused of being "a liar" by an online stalker who jokes about sharing hotel rooms with visiting evangelists.

"Fairness" doesn't really come into play after being locked out and taunted for it in Private Messages that he could not even respond to. It's simply a mess.

That's something the folks in Massillon might want to keep in mind - and probably one reason why the two UPC churches in town are only 3 minutes apart.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by n david

Both Jason and OP were wrong.

Jason posted a thread accusing another forum of doing something they didn't do, at that time. His public flogging warranted the ban, IMO.

OP was wrong for calling Jason a liar. That may be, but as a pastor some things are expected.

As for Troublemaker/NOW? ... calling fellow ministers "like-minded cronies" is simply wrong.

You statement makes it sound like Jason was being deceptive in this thread. He was not being deceptive. He was being candid and frank.

Jason was honestly under the impression that he was banned after Ohio Pastor told him that he would be banned, locked him out and then taunted him.

As a pastor, certain behavior is expected from Ohio Pastor. Instead of jumping right out with the smear against Jason he should have typed out a sentence calmly explaining the situation.

After reading Ohio Pastor's posts on different boards I can think of no better word for he and his ilk than "cronies." And saying "cronies" is being nice.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I'm just curious.... what things are open for discussion? What things are actually debated on forums like this? You can't debate any issue concerning the New Birth, can't debate tithing, probably can't debate issues like pants/hair/makeup.... what is acceptable debate material?

I responded to an adminstrator's post "over there" - He questioned why there was no evidence for "Acts 2:38" Apostolics throughout most of the history of the Church.

Silly me, I thought that this question was open for discussion. An Admin had started a whole thread just for this.

Immediately, Ohio Pastor jumped in and threatened to ban me for even discussing the question. I can provide the thread for anyone who doubts my account of this.

A couple of other guys that I had not seen posting before came to my defense. A few others basically said that I must not have ever studied history because they have lots of "proof." I asked for some help finding that "proof."

The only "proof" that was offered was "something Ohio Pastor's grandmother once said..."

That was it. Subject closed.

When looking for the topics that can and cannot be discussed it's always a hit or miss proposition. You have to be able to guess what might tick off one guy on one particular day. There are no posted "rules" other than "Use Your Real Name," something about not being too crazy and the explicit assurance that there are "Other Rules" - but you have to guess what they are.

Strange place.

[RandyWayne]

I have no idea who Ohio Pastor is other then his posts here and what others have said about him but I cannot help thinking.....

What would a pre-marital counciling session given by him be like??? Would love to be a fly on the wall!

[Walks_in_islam]

Either way the tithing issue is a real one that has marginal basis and surely there are strong feelings on both sides. Surely one among the ministry would be willing to stand up and resolve it in a formal setting. I recall (vaguely) one of the ministers on here going off on this issue with a string of insults and words of no real substance. There appears to be no scriptural basis for tithing (from wages) and there certainly is no scriptural basis for ministers profiting from it - in fact there is a strong argument towards the opposite on that issue.

Will this become yet another example of "follow me or be doomed" like so many other "doctrines" that also have no basis in scriptures? Me? I think the argument for tithing as a requirement is so weak it could never stand up under direct scrutiny. The challenge is merely to man up and defend it or let it rest in the tomb of so many other deceptions / false doctrines. I say ohio pastor is too weak in spirit to do it and would best go back to discussing hemlines and hair lengths with his pretty, like-minded, hair-sprayed friends.

The pretty and hair-sprayed rarely have the ability to man up. Except to each other. LOL

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I can understand Jason believing he was banned. I don't think he did anything to warrant a ban.

Now on the one hand maybe Jason was wrong for posting that he was banned and just leaving it alone? Maybe. On the other hand Maybe OP should have calmly explained that he wasn't banned and either state without being emotionally involved whether Jason is welcome there or not instead of calling him a liar

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by preacher238

GOOD LORD!!!! Is this a day care for kiddies or a discussion forum for adults????

Grow up people! Most of you are NOT part or, nor will ever be part of, the aforementioned forum. You do NOT know what goes on over there. You take the word of one angry man who was banned over his IN YOUR FACE attitude. Yes, Jason, that's what it was perceived to be by MANY. Not just conservatives, but many moderates and liberals also.

So the rest of you who DON'T know, back off OP!!!!!!!!!

I know. I was there for Jason's first banning. I have the threads. I have the threads where I was threatened with a ban.

I also have noticed that Ohio Pastor himself has frequently jumped into this "Kiddie Forum" and played deceitful and dishonest games with other posters here besides Jason.

Have you given your "GOOD LORD!!!!" to Ohio Pastor as well?

... Or is this just another of the frequent violations of the Second Commandment that we see from your side?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Either way the tithing issue is a real one that has marginal basis and surely there are strong feelings on both sides. Surely one among the ministry would be willing to stand up and resolve it in a formal setting. I recall (vaguely) one of the ministers on here going off on this issue with a string of insults and words of no real substance. There appears to be no scriptural basis for tithing (from wages) and there certainly is no scriptural basis for ministers profiting from it - in fact there is a strong argument towards the opposite on that issue.

Will this become yet another example of "follow me or be doomed" like so many other "doctrines" that also have no basis in scriptures? Me? I think the argument for tithing as a requirement is so weak it could never stand up under direct scrutiny. The challenge is merely to man up and defend it or let it rest in the tomb of so many other deceptions / false doctrines. I say ohio pastor is too weak in spirit to do it and would best go back to discussing hemlines and hair lengths with his pretty, like-minded, hair-sprayed friends.

The pretty and hair-sprayed rarely have the ability to man up. Except to each other. LOL

Ouch! Wii!

Good to see a viewpoint from time to time from where you stand (or walk).

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

They had money then and people who were paid in money... did those who were paid in money have to tithe then?

They had "money" then...yes that is true but "money" then was not necessarily money like we have today. Gold coins they might have had but anything of value like jewelry or a gold bar was money...

However they tithed on gain, be it grain to farm animals.

When a person was to being his required offering if it was too much of a trial to carry it all that way he could being it's monetary value instead, under the law

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

There appears to be no scriptural basis for tithing (from wages) and there certainly is no scriptural basis for ministers profiting from it - in fact there is a strong argument towards the opposite on that issue.

Scriptural basis in the Old Testament or in the New?

Wages has to be defined too.

BTW tithing in the church historically started in the 4th century.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Scriptural basis in the Old Testament or in the New?

Either... or should I say... neither.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wages has to be defined too.

I think most would agree that wages are compensation for labor or services performed.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW tithing in the church historically started in the 4th century.

Yep. It certainly wasn't enforced by the apostles.