"Divine Flesh" remedy

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Christ Temple, South Bend sends it out I think?

Oh you mean Apostolic temple ,I understand only certain people can get a copy ? Maybe they would send me one.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Oh you mean Apostolic temple ,I understand only certain people can get a copy ? Maybe they would send me one.

True my mind is not in gear tonight. Tell them you are a preacher interested in the subject they will probably send you one.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I'll tell em Elder Steve Epley sent to yall for the book.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I'll tell em Elder Steve Epley sent to yall for the book.

They will probably ship it right out as soon as Hell................... better leave me out if you want the book.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Yes I thought of asking them ,when where you coming to hold them a revival?

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Romans 5 teaches one man, Adam, made many men sinners. His action did that, and that action occurred before we were born. So, we were born sinners.

But that doesn't mean that we are born in sin Bro. Blume... it doesn't say that. There's a diffence in being born a sinner and being born in sin.

Jerry Moon

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Bro. Moon,

You definitely need a Bible Study and there are several very wise and studied men and women of God on here to help you out. From the fall of Adam and Eve the scripture bears out the fallen/sinful nature of man and how the 2nd man Adam/Christ Jesus became the propitiation/redemption/and reconciler for us...Genesis to Revelation bro.

Blessings, Rhoni

Then find me a scripture that says that we are born in sin... I've done lots of searches and have not found it...

Jerry Moon

Originally Posted by mfblume

After considering Divine Flesh doctrine for a while, having heard their self-proclaimed strong points in argument, I realized the key to their error.

Their big verse of grounds in their minds is as follows:



Since, they say, the verse mentions the ORIGIN of Adam's body being the earth, then they reason that the reference to the Lord being "from heaven" means that His body was originated in heaven in the incarnation. But that is absolutely wrong. That is not what the verse is saying. When it speaks of Christ's body being from "heaven", it is not referring to the incarnation, but rather from THE POINT OF RESURRECTION ALONE.

The chapter is all about death and physical resurrection. Christ's physical resurrection is the firstfruits, or first of identicals to come, of the resurrection. Whatever the nature of His body in resurrection is to be the same identical "change" from mortal to immortal that our bodies shall experience in the future "rapture". With Christ's resurrection in mind, Paul refers to that point of "change" when he says Christ's body is "from heaven." He spoke of the resurrected Body of Christ.

Paul used the same sense of understanding when referring to our physical resurrections to come! He speaks of our future spiritual body, altered from the mortal bodies we presently possess, in a manner that says OUR BODIES WILL BE FROM HEAVEN one day.



Christ's body before the cross, that was the incarnation of God, was no more from Heaven than our bodies presently are. But when He resurrected, His body AT THAT POINT OF RESURRECTION is said to be FROM HEAVEN, just as our future CHANGED body will be "from heaven". Right now, my body is from the earth. But when it changes, Paul said my body will be "from heaven".

Our present mortal bodies, from the earth, are to be "changed", or altered. Presently, they are mortal. But THIS MORTAL SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY. That is, the MORTAL characteristics of our present bodies will CHANGE or ALTER to be IMMORTAL characteristics. The death factors in our flesh will be swallowed up in victory in that change. And it is at that point that our bodies can be said to be "from heaven" just as Christ's present body is "from heaven".

Christ's body used to be from earth as our bodies presently are from earth. But His body was changed and because the POWER OF HEAVEN changed it, it is now said to be FROM HEAVEN, and not of the earth.

Because 1 Cor 15 is speaking about Christ's resurrected body in order to help us understand how our bodies shall be changed, Paul was talking about Christ's PRESENT BODY since the resurrection when he said it was "from heaven". He was not talking about the body that came from Mary's womb, but the immortal body from the tomb.

So, the whole idea that 1 Cor 15 says that Christ is from Heaven, in contrast to Adam from the earth, does not support "divine flesh" teaching whatsoever. It's not that our flesh will be changed into heavenly MATERIAL as Christ's flesh came from Mary's womb with heavenly material, but rather Christ's earthly flesh was changed into heavenly flesh just as our earthly flesh will change into heavenly flesh. Both are brought about BY RESURRECTION HEAVENLY POWER. That is why they are BOTH said to be "from heaven".

Put that in the Pentecostal Herald and print it!

Shalom Shalom



Adams body did come from the Ground,Red meaning Earthly however it originated from GOD as he is the WORD which spoke it into existance.The Second Adam being Christ from Heaven, We Get 1 Tim HE came down,meaning that Yeshua became GOD a living SOUL which is still beneath.

No physical body will Inherit Heaven but go back unto which it came.Yeshua returned from where ,Heaven.Only The SOUL resurects,His physical body was shapened like our own but he was Perfect.We were concieved in Sin,NO sin found in him.


By Nature we are of Sin ,concieved in SIN.Without the spirit of Christ we are Non of His.His sole nature was pure and perfect without sin nor not capable of sinning.Why he is the Lamb of GOD.HE was always lead by the SPIRIT why he only saw the SPIRIT (FATHER).


Always speculations as to give way to reasons of there own, why people believe differently than they do.Labeling them as being noncomformative to there own missconception to truth.



In the end times there are only going to be two groups those that Have and those that have NOT.Catholics and Protestants by Apostolic view will not be saved but they fail to realize they too have what the Apostolics have ,which is Dualism,Fully Man and FUlly God doctrine.In which by Apostolics is percieved as the Heavenly Flesh doctrine.If by what they claim being the Apostolics that the Heavenly Flesh doctrine is wrong then why do they believe in it themselves.


We non dualists believe that Yeshua ate ,drank and slept however this isnt the proof of Nature.Children of GOD are lead by the SPIRIT.By what spirit, as there is only One Spirit and he is the Only Begotten SON,now we ourselves.


Fully Man and FUlly GOD is a doctrine which was given unto the world by the Greeks by there own mythological beliefs and writings.Rome borrowed and made it a part of there own belief system as with the Apostolic oneness believers.


Asternship

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

But that doesn't mean that we are born in sin Bro. Blume... it doesn't say that. There's a diffence in being born a sinner and being born in sin.

Jerry Moon

I see no difference at all.

Do you deny we were born in sin, brother?

Adam made us sinners before we were born. That means when we were born, we were sinners. This is synonymous with saying we were born in sin.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Asternship

...meaning that Yeshua became GOD a living SOUL which is still beneath.

God did not become a living soul. God and souls are two different things altogether. God is not a soul nor did he become a soul. He is Spirit and is so eternally. Otherwise there is the doctrine of transmutation where GOD WAS TURNED INTO A MAN.

No physical body will Inherit Heaven but go back unto which it came.Yeshua returned from where ,Heaven.Only The SOUL resurects,His physical body was shapened like our own but he was Perfect.We were concieved in Sin,NO sin found in him.

Nevertheless, our bodies shall resurrect and be changed from mortal to immortal, and be PERFECT as His resurrected body was. He took upon Himself our sins in His flesh, and so for His body to change into an immortal one after that, shows us that our present bodioes that house sin will likewise CHANGE and become PERFECT.

It is not true that physical bodies cannot enter Heaven. It is only true that mortal physical bodies cannot enter heaven.

[quote]By Nature we are of Sin ,concieved in SIN.Without the spirit of Christ we are Non of His.His sole nature was pure and perfect without sin nor not capable of sinning.Why he is the Lamb of GOD.HE was always lead by the SPIRIT why he only saw the SPIRIT (FATHER).

He was indeed capable of sinning. Otherwise He was not "tempted."

Always speculations as to give way to reasons of there own, why people believe differently than they do.Labeling them as being noncomformative to there own missconception to truth.

The same can be said of your views. Two-way street.

In the end times there are only going to be two groups those that Have and those that have NOT.Catholics and Protestants by Apostolic view will not be saved but they fail to realize they too have what the Apostolics have ,which is Dualism,Fully Man and FUlly God doctrine.In which by Apostolics is percieved as the Heavenly Flesh doctrine.

Incorrect. It is only scriptural to say fully God and fully man. Otherwise God was not incarnate, or Christ was not deity at all.

If by what they claim being the Apostolics that the Heavenly Flesh doctrine is wrong then why do they believe in it themselves.

You do not understand what heavenly flesh doctrine is. It is the idea that Christ's flesh did not come from Mary whatsoever.

We non dualists believe that Yeshua ate ,drank and slept however this isnt the proof of Nature.Children of GOD are lead by the SPIRIT.By what spirit, as there is only One Spirit and he is the Only Begotten SON,now we ourselves.

Fully Man and FUlly GOD is a doctrine which was given unto the world by the Greeks by there own mythological beliefs and writings.Rome borrowed and made it a part of there own belief system as with the Apostolic oneness believers.

Everyone who disagrees with something claims that something is from pagans.

Do you deny Jesus is God?