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11-02-2009, 08:04 PM
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Sha'arei Tziyon
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Re: What is the purpose of Hell?
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Satan's goal is to destroy mankind... even if he's only successful in destroying one, for he knows his time is short. If Jesus died for ALL... and ALL are not reconciled... well... mission not accomplished.
Did Jesus die for all Derech?
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If Universalism is true then Satan was already defeated from the beginning.
I believe it is ALL that hear his voice.
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11-02-2009, 08:05 PM
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Sha'arei Tziyon
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Re: What is the purpose of Hell?
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The idea of God vaporizing the majority of mankind is truly problematic. This would imply that Jesus died to save humanity...but he failed and so he had to vaporize them.
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Maybe he died for those who come to him that they might have life.
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11-02-2009, 08:06 PM
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Sha'arei Tziyon
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Re: What is the purpose of Hell?
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11-02-2009, 08:08 PM
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Sha'arei Tziyon
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Re: What is the purpose of Hell?
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Originally Posted by Aquila
How could you rejoice knowing that God was unable, or unwilling, to redeem the vast majority of mankind... including many that you love?
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Rejoice in God or Mankind?
Life is what it is, all have the choice.
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11-02-2009, 08:11 PM
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Re: What is the purpose of Hell?
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If Universalism is true then Satan was already defeated from the beginning.
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Bingo. Satan never had a chance... and in the end... Satan wins NOTHING.
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I believe it is ALL that hear his voice.
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I John 2:2. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. John 12:47. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world Not just those who hear him now.
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11-02-2009, 08:11 PM
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Sha'arei Tziyon
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Re: What is the purpose of Hell?
John 3:14-19 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
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11-02-2009, 08:12 PM
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Re: What is the purpose of Hell?
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Maybe he died for those who come to him that they might have life.
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I John 2:2. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
John 12:47. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world If the entire world isn't ultimately saved by the blood... Jesus failed his mission.
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11-02-2009, 08:14 PM
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Sha'arei Tziyon
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Re: What is the purpose of Hell?
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While Universalism is a cool concept, and no offense is meant, but I just don't buy into it as scriptual for me. I would like it to be that way, but I just don't find it in scripture for me.
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11-02-2009, 08:16 PM
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Re: What is the purpose of Hell?
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John 3:14-19 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
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One day all will believe and bow in worship before him...
Philippians 2: 10-11. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Psalms 22: 27. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee
Psalms 86: 9. All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.
Lamentations 3: 31-32. For the Lord will not cast off for ever: But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies.
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11-02-2009, 08:16 PM
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Re: What is the purpose of Hell?
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I John 2:2. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
John 12:47. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world If the entire world isn't ultimately saved by the blood... Jesus failed his mission. |
Great scriptures Chris.
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1 Timothy 4:9-10
9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
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