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Old 07-08-2009, 04:46 PM
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But there is a fundamental difference between believing in the inspiration and infallibility of the Bible vs the Moon landing. The former can cause serious problems for people, and the latter is very unlikely to do so. Case in point: believing and obeying James 5:14-15 can and does get people killed.

(If one answers "yeah but we are also to use common sense", that's fine, but there are people who took that scripture very literally, which clearly states what to do for sick people, and what will happen. Who can blame them?)
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But there is a fundamental difference between believing in the inspiration and infallibility of the Bible vs the Moon landing. The former can cause serious problems for people, and the latter is very unlikely to do so. Case in point: believing and obeying James 5:14-15 can and does get people killed.

(If one answers "yeah but we are also to use common sense", that's fine, but there are people who took that scripture very literally, which clearly states what to do for sick people, and what will happen. Who can blame them?)
And you can find other examples too... which is why we emphasize correct biblical exegesis. There are freaks that are Deist, Agnostics, Atheists, Baptist and yes, even Pentecostal. Sorry to tell you.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:20 PM
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And you can find other examples too... which is why we emphasize correct biblical exegesis. There are freaks that are Deist, Agnostics, Atheists, Baptist and yes, even Pentecostal. Sorry to tell you.
But why should "correct biblical exegesis" be both 1) so important and 2) so difficult? That scripture says what it says. Why would God "write" such a dangerous instruction in the instruction manual for life?
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Old 07-08-2009, 06:26 PM
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I guess I believe Jesus is who he said he was. I ask him everyday to open my understanding. Not because I want to be a know it all.....but, because I want this to end right. I don't believe he's a 'gotcha' god......even though that's where many will lead you. A lot of things I thought were heaven and hell issues I don't quite see that way. I still cling to a oneness view because it makes the m ost sence......I think there will always be some mystery to it.......And I think I'd tell everyone to be baptized in Jesus name and seek the HG.

I also believe God's Purpose, ways and means are much greater than we give him credit.

I believe the original writings that went into bible were by men filled with the spirit and are 100% inspired by God.

Do I believe the KJV is without error.....no, those days are gone. I personally think anything the RCC got a hold of has been misused and often tampered with. I believe the King James does have errors in the translation-you don't have to go to far to see these.

I also believe other things that maybe were left out could of been included and many things that didn't line up with the RCC were destroyed.


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But there is a fundamental difference between believing in the inspiration and infallibility of the Bible vs the Moon landing. The former can cause serious problems for people, and the latter is very unlikely to do so. Case in point: believing and obeying James 5:14-15 can and does get people killed.

(If one answers "yeah but we are also to use common sense", that's fine, but there are people who took that scripture very literally, which clearly states what to do for sick people, and what will happen. Who can blame them?)
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But why should "correct biblical exegesis" be both 1) so important and 2) so difficult? That scripture says what it says. Why would God "write" such a dangerous instruction in the instruction manual for life?
Like any book of antiquity. Time has far-removed us from time, place, culture, language, etc... Same would go for Homer's Ilead.

The basics aren't that difficult to understand and receive.
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Like any book of antiquity. Time has far-removed us from time, place, culture, language, etc... Same would go for Homer's Ilead.

The basics aren't that difficult to understand and receive.
Nobody claims that God wrote the Iliad!
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To me, what defies logic is believing that there is a God, but believing that he's not interested in us. What's the point? Create a huge, involved, intricate creation.... and then ignore it? None of us would do that. It's not natural.

No, if there is a God, he has to be interested in us. Nothing else makes the least bit of sense. It's illogical.
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:09 AM
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To me, what defies logic is believing that there is a God, but believing that he's not interested in us. What's the point? Create a huge, involved, intricate creation.... and then ignore it? None of us would do that. It's not natural.

No, if there is a God, he has to be interested in us. Nothing else makes the least bit of sense. It's illogical.
Logic?!

OK, but you do have a point. Never mind that you're doing what I've been told not to do: compare God with us (bolded above). God is way smarter than we are, you see, so He can do anything He wants, for His own reasons, without explaining everything to us, without doing everything we think He should do, etc. etc., which is why killing babies isn't evil (when God does it). But yes, you do have a point.

But really, what's so strange about creating a universe, setting it in motion with certain laws of physics in place, and seeing what happens? I haven't said (that I recall) that He is not interested. He may very well be watching. He may even have opinions on whether certain things we humans do are good or bad. Dunno.

What I do know for a fact is that we are here. We live, think, act. There are some things that we should be doing, about which there is almost universal agreement (I think): love and respect each other. Live at peace with each other, to the extent possible (OK, not everyone agrees on this!). Raise our families (if we have families). Learn. Invent. Enjoy life!

And for all I know, you guys could be right. There could very well be a Truth. The Truth that all religions strive to find. And for all I know, your religion could be the lucky one that got it right, and everyone that guesses that that's the one could be rewarded, and the ones who guessed wrong could very well be punished forever. Hard to believe that God considers "luck" to be equal to "justice", though!

Yes, yes, I know, luck has nothing to do with it. You have proof, of some kind (you feel it in your spirit, or some such). Or you have faith without proof. (John 20:29, after all.) Well, not everyone is lucky enough to have heard the message and believed it, via this proof or blind faith, so yes, luck has everything to do with it!
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Update on my sis-in-law: she's getting better. Talking in short sentence (vs single words), asking about work, etc. This is a good thing: there was concern about regaining cognitive abilities etc., earlier. Getting physical therapy. Walked 100 ft yesterday. Woohoo!
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