3 steppers

[KWSS1976]

Nope not a poor argument it is the truth and you know it.....just stuck in your teaching and refusing to see correctly

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Bible says born of water and Spirit to enter the kingdom not just one. The bible also says there are three that testify the water the blood and the Spirit.

This is true!

Luke, I don't even believe that you believe what you are saying with these references.

You have to do a lot of jumping around to link up these scriptures.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Luke, I don't even believe that you believe what you are saying with these references.

You have to do a lot of jumping around to link up these scriptures.

please show me the jumping around when each set of scriptures are sufficient in themselves as they show the whole of the mentality of the Apostles!

Again Acts 8 and then Pauls's question in Acts 19

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Nope not a poor argument it is the truth and you know it.....just stuck in your teaching and refusing to see correctly

No your argument is poor because it does not deal with the questions at hand. Instead you want to run off into a another direction vs answering my simple question. Not surprised as this always happens.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

please show me the jumping around when each set of scriptures are sufficient in themselves as they show the whole of the mentality of the Apostles!

Again Acts 8 and then Pauls's question in Acts 19

You are trying to link up scriptures that aren't clear and that don't specifically say anything about your doctrine. Yes, people spoke in tongues and got baptized. Some even spoke in tongues when they received the Holy Ghost. However, this was part of the initial outpouring.

The problem Luke is that you have a few scriptures that you can quote and to you that is the end off it. We should be trapped. But the scriptures don't bother me at all because I am taking the story of the Bible as a whole and not trying to make it fit my tradition.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I am a confessed/convicted One Stepper! I have never believed that the "sinner's" prayer was sufficient for salvation. One may say ANYTHING to God or anyone else and it means nothing if the heart is not in it. A prayer without a surrender does nothing. True justification is a result of our submission to our Lord and God and His kingdom. One CANNOT simply say a prayer and be saved. It is not in the SAYING of any prayer that is efficacious. It takes kavanah!

Aren't you kind of contradicting yourself? I agree with the content of what you said, but based on what you said, if the prayer did come from the heart with true surrender then the person would be saved = 1 step.

Understanding what you said I am sure you would bring in that with this "true" confession of faith one would be baptized and filled with the Spirit. But let's stop at that prayer with a death bed surrender. Where do you stand then, or did I misunderstand your point?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

You are trying to link up scriptures that aren't clear and that don't specifically say anything about your doctrine. Yes, people spoke in tongues and got baptized. Some even spoke in tongues when they received the Holy Ghost. However, this was part of the initial outpouring.

The problem Luke is that you have a few scriptures that you can quote and to you that is the end off it. We should be trapped. But the scriptures don't bother me at all because I am taking the story of the Bible as a whole and not trying to make it fit my tradition.

So basically you don't have a argument against my point from the scriptures mentioned and basically use nothing but generalized argument that means nothing. Doesn't surprise me especially since your stance on baptism is poor as well.

Again you can't ask the question Paul asked in Acts 19 and believe in reception of the Spirit being not known to the individual and your subsequent opinion of "I don't know."

Also you can't justify not knowing with the words of Luke in Acts 8 and the reaction of the Apostles with your view of "I don't know."

The above scriptures show framework of expectation and natural flow of thought by those involved in the early church. Pauls simple question cleary shows "I don't know" is not possible!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

This is for the 3 steppers how do you explain
Romans 10:9

Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Are you trying to say there are only 2 steps?

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

So basically you don't have a argument against my point from the scriptures mentioned and basically use nothing but generalized argument that means nothing. Doesn't surprise me especially since your stance on baptism is poor as well.

Again you can't ask the question Paul asked in Acts 19 and believe in reception of the Spirit being not known to the individual and your subsequent opinion of "I don't know."

Also you can't justify not knowing with the words of Luke in Acts 8 and the reaction of the Apostles with your view of "I don't know."

The above scriptures show framework of expectation and natural flow of thought by those involved in the early church. Pauls simple question cleary shows "I don't know" is not possible!

Your position is not supported by didactic text but by a few stories and acts of the apostles. If these were doctrine then the rest of the Bible would have supported it. It doesn't. Stop using proof texts that ignore the whole bible.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Are you trying to say there are only 2 steps?

LOL!