Is it really revival? - Page 8

Truly Blessed · #71 04-14-2007, 05:49 PM

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As you told someone else, I'm sure you've gone round and round about this. I totally disagree with this belief, but if the elder hasn't convinced you, I'm certainly not gonna change you.

No, it's best just to believe what the Bible says!

OGIA · #72 04-14-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

No, it's best just to believe what the Bible says!

I do.

Steve Epley · #73 04-14-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

WRONG!!!!

When does a person pass from death unto life according to Scripture?

How do you get death out of "a change of mind and heart", which is what repentance is? What caused this sudden transformation of mind and heart? Dead folks are just that, they are dead! Doesn't line up with what the Scriptures teach!

Again are you saying regeneration takes place BEFORE repentance?????

Steve Epley · #74 04-14-2007, 06:54 PM

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I am not going to debate this whole issue with you all over again. You believe one is not saved until they talk in tongues. I believe they get to talk in tongues because they are saved. You will not change my view on this and I will not change yours. You have a right to be wrong!

Now on this you are indeed wrong. I have NEVER folks were not saved until the talk in tongues. Tongues is not salvation it is the intitial evidence one has been baptized in the Holy Ghost. Tongues automatically come when the Comforter comes in. You mistake the evidence for the cause. There is cause and effect. Tongues are the effect not the cause.

Steve Epley · #75 04-14-2007, 06:56 PM

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You will not hear me disagree with the statement that faith leads to obedience. It is not whether one needs to obey that is in question when we have these discussions, it is why one obeys.

Some preach and teach the Holy Ghost as if one must GET the Holy Ghost to be saved. Others like myself preach that one GETS to GET the Holy Ghost because one has been saved.

Acts 2:38 doesn't command us to get the Holy Ghost, it tells us we get to receive the Holy Ghost as a gift. This gift is not to make us a child of God, but because we are the child of God.

4But when the proper time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born subject to [the regulations of] the Law,

5To purchase the freedom of (to ransom, to redeem, to atone for) those who were subject to the Law, that we might be adopted and have sonship conferred upon us [and be recognized as God's sons].

6And because you [really] are [His] sons, God has sent the [Holy] Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba (Father)! Father! (Gal.4:4-6 AMP)

"and He COMMANDED them NOT to depart from Jerusalem but wait for the promise of the Father." Acts 1:4! Again you are wrong. That is twice in a day.

Steve Epley · #76 04-14-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

No, it's best just to believe what the Bible says!

When are you going to start??????????????????

Truly Blessed · #77 04-14-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

"and He COMMANDED them NOT to depart from Jerusalem but wait for the promise of the Father." Acts 1:4! Again you are wrong. That is twice in a day.

Commanded them to wait because the Holy Spirit had not yet been poured out. Note they were not told to wait until they got saved, but empowered or anointed to become witnesses of Jesus Christ. After the Day of Pentecost they were told to repent and be baptized "...and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Nowhere after the Spirit was poured out at Pentecost was anyone commanded to receive the Holy Ghost.

You wish I was wrong, but Scripture proves I'm not!

Truly Blessed · #78 04-14-2007, 08:52 PM

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Now on this you are indeed wrong. I have NEVER folks were not saved until the talk in tongues. Tongues is not salvation it is the intitial evidence one has been baptized in the Holy Ghost. Tongues automatically come when the Comforter comes in. You mistake the evidence for the cause. There is cause and effect. Tongues are the effect not the cause.

I've never been so happy to be wrong. Except I know that this is just you being coy. You don't believe anyone can be saved without being baptized with the Holy Ghost, which you have made clear is evidenced by speaking in tongues. So I am right after all when I say you don't believe a person is saved unless they speak with other tongues.

Truly Blessed · #79 04-14-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Again are you saying regeneration takes place BEFORE repentance?????

When does a person according to Scripture, pass from death unto life?

Steve Epley · #80 04-14-2007, 08:54 PM

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I've never been so happy to be wrong. Except I know that this is just you being coy. You don't believe anyone can be saved without being baptized with the Holy Ghost, which you have made clear is evidenced by speaking in tongues. So I am right about that you believe after all when I say you don't believe a person is saved unless they speak with other tongues.

Everyone who recieves the Holy Ghost speaks in tongues and NO you cannot be saved without the Holy Ghost however tongues is not salvation ONLY the evidence of HGB. NOT being coy but being right!