Praying People Through

[KWSS1976]

TR I don't think we have any peters or johns or pauls running around these days they did pray for them hand that to ya but that was for there time so if you want to play any of these charaters go ahead I know god has not given me the power to lay hands on someone to get the holyghost and I really don't think he has gave the power today to be able to pull off what was done in acts....2000+years ago

[coadie]

Originally Posted by staysharp

So Sherri, are you saying all of our good Luthern, Presbyterian friends who exhibit Christ are not filled with His Spirit because they haven't spoken in an unknown tongue? I know some Presbyterians who put most Pentecostals to shame.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

I love my Episcopalian friends. I also know that when i look at all they do coupled with their traits and temperament, there is nothing there that can't be a learned behavior.

Acts 19
1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7And all the men were about twelve.

8And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
But none demonstrate this!!!

16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.


No gifts of healing with the laying on of hands.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

TR I don't think we have any peters or johns or pauls running around these days they did pray for them hand that to ya but that was for there time so if you want to play any of these charaters go ahead I know god has not given me the power to lay hands on someone to get the holyghost and I really don't think he has gave the power today to be able to pull off what was done in acts....2000+years ago

God has given me the power to lay hands on people and they recieve the Holy Ghost and some times God also tells me when I look at them that this will happen later in the service.


Is it convenient to say a gift no longer operates because you do not have or see the gift in operation?

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by coadie

God has given me the power to lay hands on people and they recieve the Holy Ghost and some times God also tells me when I look at them that this will happen later in the service.


Is it convenient to say a gift no longer operates because you do not have or see the gift in operation?

A gift or the infilling? Now here lies the real problem. Folks don't wanna admit all tongues are the same. They say...some tongues are given as evidence for receiving the Holy Spirit and other tongues are given as a gift...hmnnn

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by coadie

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

I love my Episcopalian friends. I also know that when i look at all they do coupled with their traits and temperament, there is nothing there that can't be a learned behavior.

Acts 19
1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7And all the men were about twelve.

8And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
But none demonstrate this!!!

16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.


No gifts of healing with the laying on of hands.

So, go ahead and drink the strychnine and handle the rattlesnakes while your at it. If you really believe it, then do it all.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by pelathais

So, unless I (or you) were to see cloven tongues like as of fire and the sound of a rushing mighty wind - our baptism in the Holy Spirit isn't really "real?"

Where does the Scripture delineate these "signs" versus "evidence" quotients? How can I know that anyone, including myself!, has received the Spirit baptism when our experiences today don't exactly line up with the Bible's?

I never said such...what I did say was they were all signs pointing to the reality of what already exists. Tongues is not the Holy Ghost, but a sign. Why is that so hard to understand.

Miracles were not Jesus. They were a sign given to the gentiles that they might believe.

Tongues are a sign to the unbeliever. If they are to the unbeliever, its because they heard them speak in their own language. That is the only way an unbeliever will accept tongues, other than that, they will think you are mad.

You receive the Holy Spirit by faith. Faith in Christ and the work He did at Calvary. When Christ comes into your life, you know it immediately. You sense Him, He becomes real...old things pass away.

Conversion is an experience in relationship with Christ. Tongues are a sign to the unbeliever...

[KWSS1976]

Ok coade if ya think he has made you one of the 12 apostles go ahead cause I far I know there was only 12.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by pelathais

In that same passage Paul says that tongues are a "sign" that we're all "mad" if we all speak with tongues at a gathering of believers. He goes on to discourage the practice.

Yet that's exactly what we emphasize and encourage folks to do when we get together.

"1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?"

Now here we found something we can agree on...lol Paul said to pray in tongues at home by yourself, not in a church full of people.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Holy Ghost tongues are the same in essence but different in usage.
Tongues are a sign to unbelievers in 1.COR.14:22 but it is a sign that a unbeliever is amongs't believers.MARK.16:17
In Acts 10, how did the Jewish believers know the Gentiles received the Holy Ghost?
And those of the circumcision were astonished as many came with Peter,because the gift of the Holy Spirit notice it says gift of The Holy Spirit had been poured out on the gentiles also.
For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. ACTS.10:45,46 NKJV

[Scott Hutchinson]

In the congregation at Corinth people were trying to give messages in tongues all at once,these passages in 1 COR. are not a prohibition of tongue speaking,but are given for proper usage of tongue speaking in a congregational setting.