Loren Yadon's: Tragedies of War???? - Page 8

Theophil · #71 02-21-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Barb, loved your post! You should get on the soapbox more often!

The thing is is that Dan calls threestepper's heretics. He has taken on the mantle of those who are divisive amongst the threestepper crowd and now uses it to support the onestepper doctrine in the same divisive manner.

It's really sad we couldn't stay in the same fellowship (UPC) and fellowship the difference because the end result is the same.

That is part of my vision for our church, along with tolerance for each others' "standards" or "convictions". We need to quit judging one another and work together to advance God's kingdom. The devil laughs at our division!

RandyWayne · #72 02-21-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I just left a message on his phone thanking him for the article he wrote on the Prodigal Son which I posted as a new thread: Correct Thinking!!

He wrote another article that brought tears to my eyes: One Person can Make a Difference.

I agree, it was a great article.

mizpeh · #73 02-21-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Theophil

That is part of my vision for our church, along with tolerance for each others' "standards" or "convictions". We need to quit judging one another and work together to advance God's kingdom. The devil laughs at our division!

The devil instigates our division.

Sounds like your vision is in sync with Christ's vision for His church.

mizpeh · #74 02-21-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I agree, it was a great article.

Did you read the other article, http://newlife-boise.org/IdahoStates...your_worth.htm, posted on the church's website?

I was thinking about what he said about our worth in God's sight and it had me tearing up again while I was driving home from work!

Barb · #75 02-21-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Theophil

That is part of my vision for our church, along with tolerance for each others' "standards" or "convictions". We need to quit judging one another and work together to advance God's kingdom. The devil laughs at our division!

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

The devil instigates our division.

Sounds like your vision is in sync with Christ's vision for His church.

I agree!!

We who boldly declare that we have truth cannot get along with our brother...tragic!!

Fiyahstarter · #76 02-21-2009, 07:06 PM

These are great posts!!!

Innocuous · #77 02-21-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

I will make one statement and then step away from this thread. I believe there are others out there that will agree with me....

LY was NOT let go from CLC for the message he preached at Landmark. LY and KH had a gentleman's agreement regarding that... The straw that broke the camel's back was after he taught the PCI doctrine in his college classroom. He had been asked (told) not to teach that doctrine to the students. Within just a couple of days, he once again taught it - not as history, but as the plan of salvation.... THAT was the straw. Yes, KH made statements regarding his mother being brought into it - but the firing was over direct disobedience in what he was asked not to teach to the CLC students. And yes - his being asked not to teach PCI was probably a "political" move. I will say this - LY was/is a fabulous teacher - never forget some of his Wed PM Bible Studies - just good basic Christian living!

If that's true Sweet Pea, then KH lied to me to my face. Why would he do that? He had no reason to lie to me. If it was because of the other deal then all he had to do was say so and I would have accepted it. But he didn't say that he said something altogether different. I told him I was very disturbed by the firing and I asked him straight out, "Why did you fire LY?" and he told me it was because of the sermon and for 'dragging my mother into it" and he was very agitated when he said the latter. I think it was a moment of emotional and unintentional honesty. And certainly deniable since it was just the two of us alone in his office. I'll never forget that moment SP, it crushed me. It was a defining moment in my life. I didn't hear the classroom story until later and it smacked of a damage control cover story for Kool-Aid consumers, which fits the pattern of how things went down too often in those days. Perhaps things have changed and it's not that way any more.

mizpeh · #78 02-21-2009, 07:53 PM

We've all done and said things we regret.

Theophil · #79 02-21-2009, 09:51 PM

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We've all done and said things we regret.

Amen to that! KH seems, to me, a very down to earth, prayerful, humble man. If someone has bitter, ill feeling toward him, because of something in the past, shouldn't they forgive him? Let God be the judge of His people.

Innocuous · #80 02-21-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Theophil

Amen to that! KH seems, to me, a very down to earth, prayerful, humble man. If someone has bitter, ill feeling toward him, because of something in the past, shouldn't they forgive him? Let God be the judge of His people.

Sigh...instead of dealing with the facts of first hand accounts we have to now play the 'bitter' card. It's so predictable. Ok, that's cool. You're right though, he does come across as very humble.

Regarding forgiveness, if you forgive someone do you automatically trust them again, or respect them again? Only if you're a fool.