The Husband is the Head of the Wife

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I am reminded of the man who fled from the wrath of his very angry, broom wielding wife, and crawled under the bed.

She tried several times to gouge him out from under there, but he was scrooched up against the wall and she couldn't reach him.

Exasperated, she demanded, "You come out from under that bed right this minute!"

In a bold voice, he replied, "I'll have you know I'm the head of this house and I'm not coming out till I get good and ready!"

At least she didn't pull what one of Willie Nelson's wives pulled on him - lighting his sheets on fire when he was asleep! Whewwwww!!! That has gotta hurt!

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

At least she didn't pull what one of Willie Nelson's wives pulled on him - lighting his sheets on fire when he was asleep! Whewwwww!!! That has gotta hurt!

Was that the inspiration for him writing, "On the Road Again?"

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ILG

I'm a little stumped at your view here, because I don't see the man being the head of the wife (as the scripture clearly states in other places in scripture) as having anything to do with control or supremacy. I see his being the head as being the one with the responsibility to lead the family. This doesn't mean that he has to be smarter or better or anything like that. It simply means in my opinion that relationally and spiritually the marriage and family is on his shoulders first. This doesn't mean that a woman cannot be spiritual without her husband or smart or anything like that. It simply means that he is the head....and the family responsibility rests on his shoulders to lead it. So, I don't have an issue with believing that 'source' could be a definition of what head means here and I have no issue with the heirarchical structure so to speak. We are not talking about masters and servants.....we are talking about the responsibility of the man to lead...... which in my opinion, men need to be regularly reminded of. And men who are not leading will twist these scriptures to try to creat a BIG MAN, LITTLE WOMAN kind of sick relationship and say that he is smarter, better, and she just needs to be quiet and follow, which, of course, the scriptures are not talking about at all.

This is a good post, ILG. It is a gentle persuasion and relationship between the sexes. That is God's way.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Was that the inspiration for him writing, "On the Road Again?"

Could be! I used to have all of his albums. Stardust was my favorite.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Bro. Epley, a leader is a servant.

And besides, a leader is not necessarily a ruler. But the fact is God does set up women in rulership. That's if you believe Scripture that says that God puts leaders in their positions and there is Scripture for such a view.

That should have been written ......

But the fact is God does set up women in leadership. But some become rulers too, like queens and prime-ministers, etc.

DO we or do we not believe the scripture that says God has placed even these earthly worldly governmental and administrative type of leadership over us? It's what the Word teaches.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Submission is NOT an ugly word.
Saints are to submit themselves to God. James 4:7
Saints are to submit to each other. Eph. 5:21
Saints are to submit ot civil authorities. 1Pet. 2:13
Saints are to submit to those have the rule of them spiritually. Heb. 13:7,17
Wives are to submit to their own husbands. Eph.5:22
If women are equal in authority then:
Then Christ is NOT the Head of the church BECAUSE the church is subject to Christ as a wife is subject to her husband. Eph.5:23-24
Paul was incorrect in saying it was FIT unto the Lord for wives to submit to their husbands. Col. 3:18
Then evidently the word of God is NOT blaspmemed as Paul declared when women are not obedient to their husbands. Titus 2:5
The example given of godly women in the OT by Peter 1Pet. 3:1-7 is incorrect and thus culture again trumps Biblical precedent.
The FACT is:
God in the curse commanded women that "thy desire shall be to thy husband, and HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE." Gen. 3:16
If this curse has been lifted then do you ladies:
have sorrow in conception and does sorrow accompany child birth???????
If NOT then the man is ruler over women in 2007.
Culture has NOT eliminated the curse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now this question how could I be the ruler in my own house and my wife must Biblically submit to me THEN go to church and me submit to someone else's wife??????????????????????????????????????????

BUMP No takers???????????????????????????????

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Submission is NOT an ugly word.
Saints are to submit themselves to God. James 4:7
Saints are to submit to each other. Eph. 5:21
Saints are to submit ot civil authorities. 1Pet. 2:13
Saints are to submit to those have the rule of them spiritually. Heb. 13:7,17
Wives are to submit to their own husbands. Eph.5:22
If women are equal in authority then:
Then Christ is NOT the Head of the church BECAUSE the church is subject to Christ as a wife is subject to her husband. Eph.5:23-24
Paul was incorrect in saying it was FIT unto the Lord for wives to submit to their husbands. Col. 3:18
Then evidently the word of God is NOT blaspmemed as Paul declared when women are not obedient to their husbands. Titus 2:5
The example given of godly women in the OT by Peter 1Pet. 3:1-7 is incorrect and thus culture again trumps Biblical precedent.
The FACT is:
God in the curse commanded women that "thy desire shall be to thy husband, and HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE." Gen. 3:16
If this curse has been lifted then do you ladies:
have sorrow in conception and does sorrow accompany child birth???????
If NOT then the man is ruler over women in 2007.
Culture has NOT eliminated the curse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now this question how could I be the ruler in my own house and my wife must Biblically submit to me THEN go to church and me submit to someone else's wife??????????????????????????????????????????

As you state it here Elder, I can not argue.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ron

As you state it here Elder, I can not argue.

I can't argue with him either. It's sound doctrine. Not because we have not the same access to the Spirit, but because we can't both have the authority aside from that. I just can't see how it can work.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Submission is NOT an ugly word.
Saints are to submit themselves to God. James 4:7
Saints are to submit to each other. Eph. 5:21
Saints are to submit ot civil authorities. 1Pet. 2:13
Saints are to submit to those have the rule of them spiritually. Heb. 13:7,17
Wives are to submit to their own husbands. Eph.5:22
If women are equal in authority then:
Then Christ is NOT the Head of the church BECAUSE the church is subject to Christ as a wife is subject to her husband. Eph.5:23-24
Paul was incorrect in saying it was FIT unto the Lord for wives to submit to their husbands. Col. 3:18
Then evidently the word of God is NOT blaspmemed as Paul declared when women are not obedient to their husbands. Titus 2:5
The example given of godly women in the OT by Peter 1Pet. 3:1-7 is incorrect and thus culture again trumps Biblical precedent.
The FACT is:
God in the curse commanded women that "thy desire shall be to thy husband, and HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE." Gen. 3:16
If this curse has been lifted then do you ladies:
have sorrow in conception and does sorrow accompany child birth???????
If NOT then the man is ruler over women in 2007.
Culture has NOT eliminated the curse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now this question how could I be the ruler in my own house and my wife must Biblically submit to me THEN go to church and me submit to someone else's wife??????????????????????????????????????????

I agree. Not pointing the finger at anyone in particular, but it seems some women have an unbiblical and unhealthy fear of submission...perhaps it's due to the influence of western culture and or perhaps it's due to life experiences.

Originally Posted by Felicity

Bro. Epley, a leader is a servant.

And besides, a leader is not necessarily a ruler.

True.

But the fact is God does set up women in rulership.

Not in the Church.

That's if you believe Scripture that says that God puts leaders in their positions and there is Scripture for such a view.

See above.