Race Based Government?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Sad thing is, TRF will probably never bother to click the links and follow up on this for himself. And JD appears to be so young! I hope he follows the links he gave to me and reads them.

These guys just got served.

I hope they take it with the right spirit and stop the name calling. I know they're offline now, but I hope that tomorrow will come and we'll all be friends and TRF will say, "You know I was wrong..." and JD will say, "As an American soldier it is my duty to defend the United States from racist, secessionist and terrorist organizations like Mecha and it's a good thing we have people like Michelle Malkin helping to point out the dangers these groups represent."

Since you are determined to feel like you're right on this , then go ahead.
I dont feel like getting on a merry go round with you on this again today.

More and more I'm being reminded of your boorish style of debate which I've encountered before, and I'm reminded why I had actually considered just ignoring you totally, the last time I ran into the teeth of your insufferable rudeness, in a conversation we had 8 month ago. Doesnt seem like you've changed much, unfortunately. But I'll be cutting this conversation off real quick before it ever gets to the point that it did that time.

But this part in bold is some of the silliest stuff I've ever seen you post.
You're talking about me clicking links, and reading up on this...
So you're an authority on MM now? I know much more about her than you do!

So last night you read some stuff on her on some left wing sites, etc,( trying to poke holes into the assertion that she's a race-baiter and endorser of racists) and now you think you're an expert?
Please. Spare me.

Whatever you're trying to prove, this has become silly now.
It's not important to me to prove or convince you that she is or is not a racist. I simply said that was my opinion. But it's interesting that you have set yourself in opposition to me to either 1/prove she's not a racist or 2/ trying to undermine the assertion that she is..

....and again, this is someone who, before last night, you admitted you knew little about!

Originally Posted by pelathais

These guys just got served.

I hope they take it with the right spirit and stop the name calling. I know they're offline now, but I hope that tomorrow will come and we'll all be friends and TRF will say, "You know I was wrong..."

You think I got served? Are you kidding?
That's funny and sad at the same time. If you're not a comedian, then you should be, 'cuz that's some hilarious stuff. Sad thing is, you take this, and yourself, much too seriously. It's pathetic.

One thing is for sure. I have forgotten more stuff about Michelle Malkin and her writings that you've even learned about her so far with that midnight cram session you had last night.

If you seriously think you "served" me, then you really have a much higher opinion of yourself than you should. Humility doesnt seem to be your strong suit, that's for sure.

Originally Posted by pelathais

I hope they take it with the right spirit and stop the name calling.

name calling? I don't see where I've called you any names.
So I guess you're saying it's "name-calling" to refer to an endorser of racists as being racist?
She clearly endorses Vdare, which is a racist group. Then again maybe you'll find a way to tell us that VDare isn't really racist... so there, I guess you have an out if you want to find one.

(Who knows? You might be one of those "conservatives" who always seem to have a blind spot when it comes to racism, and who always bend over backward to explain away clearly racist speech and behavior.)

So who gets to be the judge? We don't get to use our own judgment on this unless it meets with your approval?

But lets cut to the chase: ...Since you stated in a previous post that "Mecha is a racist group" (which it certainly is!)... it would be interesting if you'd tell us if you think that VDare is also a racist group (...or not). And if it IS, maybe you'll tell us why it's then wrong to 'slam' Malkin for endorsing them.

If you feel like doing some research into her, feel free. But try to do research with an open mind, rather than with a mind to try to prove that "the girl" Malkin is being lied on. Yes, there are far left-wing sites that say a lot of hateful things about her, and distort her words to make her look worse than she is. But I didnt reach my opinion based on those sites, and I've never recommeded those sites to anyone to look up info on her. And if if you decide in your mine that you don't consider her stuff racist, then feel free. But don't pretend in one night to become an expert in someone you dont know much about. And dont come on here harrasing someone for holding what you consider an unfavorable opinion of someone, and harrasing them like a prosecutor, just because you disagree with what they say. People are still entitled to express their opinions here, and whether or not the "evidence" they provide is sufficient to "convince" you, they're still entitled to their opinion without you giving them a hard time about it.
You might want to get used to the concept of freedom of expression, ok?

As I said, at the end of the day my opinion remains my opinion, despite whatever you think.

Bye.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Founder of VDARE calls the 1965 Voting Rights Act a disaster:


And last but not least, from Michelle's buddy Peter Brimelow, VDARE founder:
We do publish writers who could fairly be described as “white nationalists,” in that they explicitly defend the interests of American whites—who, however, made up 90 percent of the populations in 1960, before the disaster of the 1965 [voting rights] Act.
Note, since the last installment in this O'Reilly/Malkin/VDARE series, Malkin quit her gig on O'Reilly.



http://www.swiftboatingusa.com/blog/...re-part-3.html

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I hope they take it with the right spirit ...

"the right spirit"?
Coming from you, that's about as credible as Oprah Winfrey giving out weight loss advice.

Look at your own self, pal. You are the last person that should be on here pontificating to folks about the "spirit" they need to have.

Physician, heal thyself.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Founder of VDARE calls the 1965 Voting Rights Act a disaster:


And last but not least, from Michelle's buddy Peter Brimelow, VDARE founder:
We do publish writers who could fairly be described as “white nationalists,” in that they explicitly defend the interests of American whites—who, however, made up 90 percent of the populations in 1960, before the disaster of the 1965 [voting rights] Act.
Note, since the last installment in this O'Reilly/Malkin/VDARE series, Malkin quit her gig on O'Reilly.

http://www.swiftboatingusa.com/blog/...re-part-3.html

Another good post.

JD, the race-baiting on VARE.COM has become almost legendary. I dont see how any fair-minded person could say otherwise. It doesnt take a genius to see that.

(There are some who use the intellectually deficient tactic of "guilt by association". The fact that VDARE is criticized by many left-wing/extremist groups, does not in any way diminish the very nature of what VDARE is.)

There's no way an intelligent person like Malkin would align herself with a site like that, unless she endorsed their views. To me, that's just common sense.

But in the end, it's all in the eye of the beholder, brother.
People will not see what they don't want to see.

That's why this whole Michelle Malkin topic ends up being a circular argument. Unless a person says something blatant like "I hate that race of people" or "I am a racist", you cant really "prove" that someone is a racist.

Someone saying "prove to me that she's racist" is like saying "prove that she's pretty" or "prove to me that he's arrogant". That kind of stuff is not objectively provable. In the end, people will always have some "wiggle room" to say: "nope. I'm not convinced. You haven't proved it to me".

In the end, You cant truly 'prove' any such thing, especially when you're dealing with someone who already inclined to try to contradict what you have to say anyway.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Since you are determined to feel like you're right on this , then go ahead.
I dont feel like getting on a merry go round with you on this again today.

More and more I'm being reminded of your boorish style of debate which I've encountered before, and I'm reminded why I had actually considered just ignoring you totally, the last time I ran into the teeth of your insufferable rudeness, in a conversation we had 8 month ago. Doesnt seem like you've changed much, unfortunately. But I'll be cutting this conversation off real quick before it ever gets to the point that it did that time.

But this part in bold is some of the silliest stuff I've ever seen you post.
You're talking about me clicking links, and reading up on this...
So you're an authority on MM now? I know much more about her than you do!

So, then it would be very easy for you to shut me up - or better yet - make me admit I was wrong for taking up for Malkin - give me that quote where she demonstates racisim.

Where's the promised proof? You're the expert! Put an end to my boorishness now. Where's the proof?

Originally Posted by TRFrance

So last night you read some stuff on her on some left wing sites, etc,( trying to poke holes into the assertion that she's a race-baiter and endorser of racists) and now you think you're an expert?
Please. Spare me.

The stuff I read was provided by another poster that you were egging on. What have you got?

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Whatever you're trying to prove, this has become silly now.
It's not important to me to prove or convince you that she is or is not a racist. I simply said that was my opinion. But it's interesting that you have set yourself in opposition to me to either 1/prove she's not a racist or 2/ trying to undermine the assertion that she is..

....and again, this is someone who, before last night, you admitted you knew little about!

I agree. You made an assertion, I questioned it, you bristled and attacked but could not back up your assertion. You must feel silly.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

You think I got served? Are you kidding?
That's funny and sad at the same time. If you're not a comedian, then you should be, 'cuz that's some hilarious stuff. Sad thing is, you take this, and yourself, much too seriously. It's pathetic.

One thing is for sure. I have forgotten more stuff about Michelle Malkin and her writings that you've even learned about her so far with that midnight cram session you had last night.

If you seriously think you "served" me, then you really have a much higher opinion of yourself than you should. Humility doesnt seem to be your strong suit, that's for sure.



name calling? I don't see where I've called you any names.
So I guess you're saying it's "name-calling" to refer to an endorser of racists as being racist?
She clearly endorses Vdare, which is a racist group. Then again maybe you'll find a way to tell us that VDare isn't really racist... so there, I guess you have an out if you want to find one.

(Who knows? You might be one of those "conservatives" who always seem to have a blind spot when it comes to racism, and who always bend over backward to explain away clearly racist speech and behavior.)

So who gets to be the judge? We don't get to use our own judgment on this unless it meets with your approval?

But lets cut to the chase: ...Since you stated in a previous post that "Mecha is a racist group" (which it certainly is!)... it would be interesting if you'd tell us if you think that VDare is also a racist group (...or not). And if it IS, maybe you'll tell us why it's then wrong to 'slam' Malkin for endorsing them.

If you feel like doing some research into her, feel free. But try to do research with an open mind, rather than with a mind to try to prove that "the girl" Malkin is being lied on. Yes, there are far left-wing sites that say a lot of hateful things about her, and distort her words to make her look worse than she is. But I didnt reach my opinion based on those sites, and I've never recommeded those sites to anyone to look up info on her. And if if you decide in your mine that you don't consider her stuff racist, then feel free. But don't pretend in one night to become an expert in someone you dont know much about. And dont come on here harrasing someone for holding what you consider an unfavorable opinion of someone, and harrasing them like a prosecutor, just because you disagree with what they say. People are still entitled to express their opinions here, and whether or not the "evidence" they provide is sufficient to "convince" you, they're still entitled to their opinion without you giving them a hard time about it.
You might want to get used to the concept of freedom of expression, ok?

As I said, at the end of the day my opinion remains my opinion, despite whatever you think.

Bye.

Those examples of her racism can be found where? Your the self proclaimed expert and I'm just a funny guy who needs his comeuppance. C'mon! I'm making it easy for you. Why the constant dodges?

VDARE seems to be a bit more of a complex issue than Mecha. I don't find a blogroll like you described on Malkin's site. Also, searching her archives doesn't bring up anything on VDARE more recent than 2006. Whatever connections she had seem to have been cut. That would seem to indicate that she feels the same way about VDARE as you do.

VDARE does reprint her column by using a paid RSS feed provided by Creators Syndicate.

VDARE describes itself thusly:

VDARE is a coalition. Some of us have distinguished oeuvres; some have deviant views (categories not necessarily exclusive). These satellite pages represent us individually.

Whatever is meant by "deviant" isn't explained but I don't think I would want my name there.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Founder of VDARE calls the 1965 Voting Rights Act a disaster:


And last but not least, from Michelle's buddy Peter Brimelow, VDARE founder:
We do publish writers who could fairly be described as “white nationalists,” in that they explicitly defend the interests of American whites—who, however, made up 90 percent of the populations in 1960, before the disaster of the 1965 [voting rights] Act.
Note, since the last installment in this O'Reilly/Malkin/VDARE series, Malkin quit her gig on O'Reilly.

http://www.swiftboatingusa.com/blog/...re-part-3.html

She seems to have exercised poor judment in her associations and then broke those ties. We all make mistakes. Good for her for trying to correct that one.

How can we say Brimelow is her "buddy" when she has distanced herself from him? They did appear to collaborate at the start of her blogging. He's a former editor at Forbes magazine and she was just starting out. But when he kept his associations with the "white nationalists" she dumped him. That was a good move on her part and probably cost her.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

"the right spirit"?
Coming from you, that's about as credible as Oprah Winfrey giving out weight loss advice.

Look at your own self, pal. You are the last person that should be on here pontificating to folks about the "spirit" they need to have.

Physician, heal thyself.

And those quotes where Malkin exhibits racisim can be found where?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by pelathais

So, then it would be very easy for you to shut me up - or better yet - make me admit I was wrong for taking up for Malkin - give me that quote where she demonstates racisim.

Where's the promised proof? You're the expert! Put an end to my boorishness now. Where's the proof?

The stuff I read was provided by another poster that you were egging on. What have you got?

I agree. You made an assertion, I questioned it, you bristled and attacked but could not back up your assertion. You must feel silly.

Those examples of her racism can be found where? Your the self proclaimed expert and I'm just a funny guy who needs his comeuppance. C'mon! I'm making it easy for you. Why the constant dodges?

VDARE seems to be a bit more of a complex issue than Mecha. I don't find a blogroll like you described on her site. Also, searching her archives doesn't bring up anything on VDARE more recent than 2006. Whatever connections she had seem to have been cut.

VDARE does reprint her column by using a paid RSS feed provided by Creators Syndicate.

VDARE describes itself thusly:

VDARE is a coalition. Some of us have distinguished oeuvres; some have deviant views (categories not necessarily exclusive). These satellite pages represent us individually.

Whatever is meant by "deviant" isn't explained but I don't think I would want my name there.

You seem to be stuck in this idea that I have to prove something to you.
I guess you havent gotten the revelation that I actually have no desire to convince you of anything.

Anyway, I'll respond to your post above by repeating a previous post I made to you. I see you quickly brushed it aside when I posted it previously, but I'm coming right back to it:

Originally Posted by pelathais

I hope they take it with the right spirit ...

Frankly, I find your spirit to be so noxious that there's no need for us to even continue having this conversation.

The sad part is, you seem to not notice it, or maybe you just dont even care. Either way, I actually feel a bit sorry for you.

I remember you displaying this similar spirit when I had to deal with your insufferable obnoxiousness, in an ongoing conversation back in May of '07. It was to the point that I actually had to complain to an Admin about you. Sadly, eight months later, nothing seems to have changed.

I really think you have some underlying issues within you that you need to talk to the Lord about.

(In the end, THAT is more important than what my opinion of Michelle Malkin is.)

Take care and good night.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

You seem to be stuck in this idea that I have to prove something to you.
I guess you havent gotten the revelation that I actually have no desire to convince you of anything.

Anyway, I'll respond to your post above by repeating a previous post I made to you. I see you quickly brushed it aside when I posted it previously, but I'm coming right back to it:

You called her a "racist", I questioned you about that, you responded with an air of 'knowing it all' but you still have not offered a single instance of Michelle Malkin being a racist.

Just one of the quotes or examples that you promised would have ended my question on the second post.

It seems to me that all of our conversations end up this way. You become embittered by the fact that someone dared question your authority on a subject.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Frankly, I find your spirit to be so noxious that there's no need for us to even continue having this conversation.

It's very easy to report my posts. Perhaps my spirit is so noxious that the admins will want to take action. But then again, you do have a problem when someone questions your opinions and assertions.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

The sad part is, you seem to not notice it, or maybe you just dont even care. Either way, I actually feel a bit sorry for you.

I remember you displaying this similar spirit when I had to deal with your insufferable obnoxiousness, in an ongoing conversation back in May of '07. It was to the point that I actually had to complain to an Admin about you. Sadly, eight months later, nothing seems to have changed.

Yeah, the admin probably asked for an example of my "noxious spirit" and then you bristled and then and the results were predictable.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I really think you have some underlying issues within you that you need to talk to the Lord about.

(In the end, THAT is more important than what my opinion of Michelle Malkin is.)

Take care and good night.

Passive/Aggressive is your hallmark. You attack someone who challenges your assertion and then you prevaricate and then you're a martyr.

Except real martyrs don't deal in baseless name calling. You need to really listen to the Lord and stop talking so much. I can only fear the outcome if you pursue all of your relationships this way. Forgive me for not taking your sudden spirituality seriously.

Exodus 23:1-7; Leviticus 19:11; Psalm 35:11; Psalm 45:5-9; Isaiah 66:5; Luke 3:14; Luke 7:33-34; 2 Timothy 3:1-7.

I take those scriptural admonitions seriously. Perhaps if everyone did you and I would get along a little better. Name calling is a rather petty game to play. But then again, it's an easy game if no one calls you on it. I'm calling you on it.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You called her a "racist", I questioned you about that, you responded with an air of 'knowing it all' but you still have not offered a single instance of Michelle Malkin being a racist.

Just one of the quotes or examples that you promised would have ended my question on the second post.

It seems to me that all of our conversations end up this way. You become embittered by the fact that someone dared question your authority on a subject.

It's very easy to report my posts. Perhaps my spirit is so noxious that the admins will want to take action. But then again, you do have a problem when someone questions your opinions and assertions.

Yeah, the admin probably asked for an example of my "noxious spirit" and then you bristled and then and the results were predictable.

Passive/Aggressive is your hallmark. You attack someone who challenges your assertion and then you prevaricate and then you're a martyr.

Except real martyrs don't deal in baseless name calling. You need to really listen to the Lord and stop talking so much. I can only fear the outcome if you pursue all of your relationships this way. Forgive me for not taking your sudden spirituality seriously.

Exodus 23:1-7; Leviticus 19:11; Psalm 35:11; Psalm 45:5-9; Isaiah 66:5; Luke 3:14; Luke 7:33-34; 2 Timothy 3:1-7.

I take those scriptural admonitions seriously. Perhaps if everyone did you and I would get along a little better. Name calling is a rather petty game to play. But then again, it's an easy game if no one calls you on it. I'm calling you on it.

Perhaps if you didnt think quite so highly of yourself, you and I would get along better.

Funny, you tell me I'm talking too much, but 1/ you're the one who seems to insist on alway having the last word here...And 2/ you're the one who wanted to make a federal case out of all this in the first place, "challenging" and demanding "proof", and going on and on, with your quest to stick up for that "girl" Michelle Malkin... because you didnt like the fact that I'm among those who consider Malkin to be racist.

I gave you a brief overview of why I thought so, and suggested you look into it to form your own opinion. You came back and started this stuff about how you're not convinced, and how I hadnt "proved it" ,etc. And what I said to you , repeatedly, is that it is a subjective matter, and there was no single quote or instance I can provide you that you would consider to be definitive proof... but that this was an opinion I've reached after observing pattern of her writings, interviews and even her associations for quite a while. (<----I didnt think that was so hard to understand, or accept). I thought I was entitled to my opinion anyway, but apparently that wasnt enough for you, and so since I didnt provide the "proof" you demanded, thus began your quixotic quest to "stick up for" the "girl" against whom, in your words, I had made this "odious charge".

We could have simply agreed to disagree, and moved on... but you're the one who kept going on and on, like a grandstanding prosecutor. You could have pushed the "OFF" button a long time ago, but clearly you felt like prolonging the merry go round for whatever reason. You seem to be someone who doesnt know when to just take your foot off the gas pedal, and bring things down a notch or two.

You can say whatever you want, to justify yourself, but I know one thing...I've had conversations with many, many people on this forum. And at times they and I have disagreed strongly on a variety of issues, from religion to politics. Yet there remains mutual respect between me and them, even if we ended having to disagree on various matters. Sadly though, I've found you to be one of the rudest, most obnoxious persons I've run across here on AFF. And at times I've seen you display a boorishness and cockiness that I would normally only expect to see on the secular forums I'm a part of.

However, when your rudeness is pointed out to you, always seem to brush it aside as if it's unimportant, or as if the other person is being "a martyr", or they're "too sensitive", or whatever. You seem to not know how to talk to people right . I dont think I've ever seen you be apologetic, or voluntarily concilatory toward anyone after butting heads with them on here. It's as if you feel you need to "win", to prove yourself right, or to nail the other person to the wall to show them just how wrong you think they are (and I'm not just taking about me -- I've seen you in action with other posters too. This seems to be a recurring issue with you).. You clearly have no problem being gratuitously abrasive and/or antagonistic if you feel like it.

So to see you questioning my so-called "sudden spirituality" , and telling me to "listen to the Lord", is downright laughable. There are some people here on AFF who, if they were to admonish me for something I say or do here, I'd respect their words and take it to heart. But you of all people are the last one to who should question anyone's spirituality. In my view, you just don't have the credibility.

When you learn how to speak to people with that "right spirit" you refer to, even when you disagree with them, maybe your words will have greater value. Meanwhile, you can quote as many scriptures as you want... It means nothing to me, coming from you.

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P.S.
Lemme know when you're ready to put an end to this merry go round of a discussion. I don't know if you're getting a rush out of it, but I certainly am not. If there's no new ground to cover, we can just move along whenever you like. I feel like I've wasted enough time with this.