What Would You Do if This Was You?

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Just questioning why the only options are negative toward the pastor. Maybe I'm missing something.

Originally Posted by Stephanas

Exactly.

Why couldn't it be that he's hanging on because:

It's hard to leave people you love, even apathetic ones.

Did you two skip over the multiple posts where I said it was between the Pastor and God? Obviously.

OOPS...I forgot - I hate all Pastors

Guess I am labelled for life...there is only grace and mercy, forgiveness and reconcilliation with God. It is IMPOSSIBLE with MAN/WOMAN

[Stephanas]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Did you two skip over the multiple posts where I said it was between the Pastor and God? Obviously.

OOPS...I forgot - I hate all Pastors

Guess I am labelled for life...there is only grace and mercy, forgiveness and reconcilliation with God. It is IMPOSSIBLE with MAN/WOMAN

Saying that it's between the pastor and God is fine, until the but . . . is added.

That's like saying that Bro. So and So is a great guy, but . . .

The words after the "but" aren't cancelled by the words before.

Whether or not you or I hate pastors is irrelevant to this conversation, as are whatever labels you or I may wear.

[EA]

Who, and what, defines success?

[Sherri]

I believe that if God is in it, the church will grow. I just believe that He intends to add to the church. JMHO.

By the way, this example (and I don't know if it's real or imaginary) sounds just like the church I grew up in all my life. It was the same size when I left at 17 than it was when I was born. Maybe less. I think this is a very sad statement and a poor witness to the community.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Who, and what, defines success?

Unfortunately, all too often, it is our peers who define that for us.

[2020Vision]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

How long should a pastor stay at a church under these circumstances?

He's been pastor for almost a decade.

- Membership is 30.

- There is minimal compensation and he works a secular job fifty hours a week.

- The church building is an embarrassment, but paid for.

- Started the church from nothing.

- He pays some of the church bills out of his own pocket.

- The church members are apathetic.

I'd seriously be praying about God's will. Some things aren't overnighters, and if it's right, he should stick through it. Maybe he just needs some change. Do something differently. Or... maybe it's time to move on and let someone else give it a shot.

[2020Vision]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Who, and what, defines success?

Healthy things grow.

While I'm not huge on numbers, it is true that things that are healthy have life and grow naturally. If one is a pastor of 30 in a town of 100, this is a different example. But if you are in a city of 1 million and you've only reached 30, you may want to eat a Passion bar and light a fire.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by chseeads

It would be nice to have somebody around willing to help with some things.

what's the salary?

jk

[chseeads]

Originally Posted by Bryan

what's the salary?

jk

That's another problem....Nobody wants to just have the opportunity to be used or anything unless they're getting well paid for it.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by chseeads

That's another problem....Nobody wants to just have the opportunity to be used or anything unless they're getting well paid for it.

yeah. it is sad.