Hell In Question - Page 8

crakjak · #71 02-19-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by helen_febus

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I am a fulfilled prophecy believer and on this one I agree with Crakjak.

I do believe the above quote is what Jesus was trying to show with this parable.

For more on this subject click this link: http://www.fulfilledprophecy.net/pdf...d_Lazareth.pdf

Finally!!! Thank you.

Your link is very good, and makes the point more thoroughly than I have made it. MICHAEL BLUME CAN YOU REFUTE THIS ARTICLE???

crakjak · #72 02-20-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

I have read the book, and I have read at least two other such testimonies.

These experiences proceed out of personal trauma and preception, the details of "hell" is different in each one. I don't question that these folks have had dramatic encounters that have caused them to turn to God. I do question the validity of building doctrine based on such experience.

Bottomline: I do not believe the Creator to be a torturer and tormenter of His highest order of creation. I do believe He can and does use extreme measures (allows us to suffer the consequences of our actions and the creations of our deceptions) to finally bring all of His creation into right relationship with Himself.

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mfblume · #73 02-26-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Jesus was certainly not speaking of a real definition of hell, anymore than He was speaking of the real size of Abraham's bosom. He was clearly speaking of the Jewish nation and the Gentiles, the Gentiles were about to be elevated and the Jewish nation was about to be brought down to hell, the grave, ghenna, in the destruction of 70 AD. Come on, Mike this fits perfectly with your preterism.

So you believe Jesus used a MYTH when he spoke the story of Lazarus and the rich man?

mfblume · #74 02-27-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Finally!!! Thank you.

Your link is very good, and makes the point more thoroughly than I have made it. MICHAEL BLUME CAN YOU REFUTE THIS ARTICLE???

Bro., no offense intended, but after seeing your reaction to refutations I made in the past, specifically using Romans 5, I see no point in presenting a rebuttal to you.

You just want to believe UR no matter what. But I believe you are a good man.

Jason B · #75 03-01-2009, 12:37 AM

the more I get into this subject the bigger problem I am having seeing an eternal hell, billions and billions of ages. And to be honest, I'm not sure that's a bad thing. This will be an interesting study as I go deeper into it.

crakjak · #76 03-01-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

the more I get into this subject the bigger problem I am having seeing an eternal hell, billions and billions of ages. And to be honest, I'm not sure that's a bad thing. This will be an interesting study as I go deeper into it.

You go, Jason!!

Aquila · #77 03-01-2009, 09:09 PM

I firmly believe in a Hell. There is a place outside of God's fellowship where the souls of the wicked and the unbelieving find themselves separated from experiencing God's presence. I believe that they experience torments only best described as "burning".

However...what would the purpose be for an "eternal Hell of torment"? Why would our God oversee an eternal torture chamber? So for me the question of Hell rests in it's purpose. If it is God's way of tormenting the wicked and unbelieving forever is it for entertainment or unending vengeance??? Or is it a place were the wicked are eternally "destroyed"?...which really isn't any better seeing that well over 90% of all mankind will find their place here after death.

Or is it a place of punishment and correction where the souls of the wicked and unbelieving are purified through God's just judgment in the flames as silver is purified in the fire?

I firmly believe there is a Hell. I just wrestle with what is it's purpose? What's the point? After BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS of Millennia...what purpose will Hell have served? If we answer this question...then we can see Hell's reality for we will understand it's design. As they say...form follows function.

Jason B · #78 03-01-2009, 10:04 PM

perhaps I should have rather posted on the thread "what is the purpose of hell."

I certainly don't doubt an existence of hell itself, I am simply becoming less convinced of it being eternal. It goes back to "what purpose will it serve" I am not conding any viewpoint right now. I would still lean towards eternal concious punishment or annihaliation of the wicked dead (second death?),but not eternal burning forever and ever with no end. Similar to the muslim doctrine of hell, your skin burns off, only to come right back and burn off again, for all eternity. The only difference between that and christian hell, is muslims say it is because of scorching hot boiling water, christians because of fire.

That seems to me contradictory to the nature of God.

As I said, this is something I am now studying and re-evaluating (along with prophecy). So I'll see where it goes, one thing I know-no matter the duration of hell, I don't plan on going, and plan to continue preaching for sinners to repent of their wickedness, because there is a hell waiting for them.

Jason B · #79 03-02-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bkstokes

Yes, holy cows. When I went to India, the cars would actually have to stop and then the drivers would have to try to patiently lead the cow off of the road without disturbing it or hurting it. Let alone the Hindus believed that you couldn't eat beef or one would spend 100,000 years in the belly of a form of what they believed was hell.

this quote is from another thread-100,000 years in hell for eating a taco? Sounds harsh.
What is the difference between that a hundred thousand centuries of hellfire-only to have no less time than when one first arrived, for a life that lasted only 50,60, or 70 years, and in some cases much less-15 years, 20 years, 25 years.

Hell in question? I think it is time someone asked.

crakjak · #80 03-02-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Bro., no offense intended, but after seeing your reaction to refutations I made in the past, specifically using Romans 5, I see no point in presenting a rebuttal to you.

You just want to believe UR no matter what. But I believe you are a good man.

No problem, I believe you are a good man as well. Be Blessed.