The Apostolic Welfare Culture

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Welfare is alive in Pentecost today.

1. Feed me preacher, move me preacher, or I'll go to the megachurch down the street.

2. Provide entertainment for my kids preacher, but not BIBLE STUDY for them. They are not mature enough to Get It yet. Keep it simple and fun, okay?

3. Uhmm, could you reduce the amount of services we have preacher? I am awfully busy out here. Don't you even care about my life and my things? I need you to be more SENSITIVE preacher.

This "culture" is not limited to Apostolic churches.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

This thread is so cool.

When did I bash megachurches? I love large churches. Someday the church I pastor will be large.

My point is that people are lazy FOR THE KINGDOM. They can work 24/7 for things they WANT, but have no time for the things of God.

Sure there are lazy preachers. Sure there are preachers that beat their people up. But this thread is not about them. Its about 21st century Apostolics who are too lazy to work for the kingdom.

They are too busy satisfying their worldly desires.

Sorry, PP, I didn't mean to imply you said something you didn't.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

You have shot an arrow unerringly right smack dab into the middle of the fat backside of one of the most sacred of all sacred cows on this board.

This partcular sacred cow transcends the liberal/conservative divide.

Congratulations...but you know you are burnt toast now.

At least in the minds of the lazy, the uncommitted, the backslidden and backsliding, and all retreads in general.

Throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that gets hit yelps!


FTR There was a slight yelp from my corner.

[Nahum]

Posted by Rhoni:
Pastor Poster - please take the time to understand my point of view without trashing me for being a : 1. man-hater, or 2. A ministry eater.

Rhoni, I have recently discovered that you are so biased that I cannot discuss these sorts of things with you in a reasonable manner. Your feelings are very well known. You have one perspective only. That's cool.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Chan

This "culture" is not limited to Apostolic churches.

True.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

Get off the net and get to church


(TIC)

I am not saying entertainment is wrong. I am saying that an unhealthy fixation with personal gratification goes against everything biblical.

Everybody needs a little time away now and then. But not every other weekend. It gets ridiculous.

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Chan

This "culture" is not limited to Apostolic churches.

I agree!

The majority of churches probably have the same issues in regard to people being willing to show up for church, etc.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am not saying entertainment is wrong. I am saying that an unhealthy fixation with personal gratification goes against everything biblical.

Everybody needs a little time away now and then. But not every other weekend. It gets ridiculous.

Let a man deny himself...

Where have I heard that before?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

You have shot an arrow unerringly right smack dab into the middle of the fat backside of one of the most sacred of all sacred cows on this board.

This partcular sacred cow transcends the liberal/conservative divide.

Congratulations...but you know you are burnt toast now.

At least in the minds of the lazy, the uncommitted, the backslidden and backsliding, and all retreads in general.

Oh well, everybody Jesus chose to be in His inner circle was already busy doing something else. He said, "follow me" and they did.

Now when Jesus says "follow me" there is an immediate scream of "buuuuuuuut Jesus, I'm too busy"!

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am not saying entertainment is wrong. I am saying that an unhealthy fixation with personal gratification goes against everything biblical.

Everybody needs a little time away now and then. But not every other weekend. It gets ridiculous.

I can understand your point.


I don't necessarily see it the same way you do, but I do agree that if one runs away from 'assembling' with other believers more often than not, there is something wrong... but I wouldn't broad brush it as "and unhealthy fixation with personal gratification".

Sometimes it's a perception issue... as in, they're just not looking in the right direction after they got sidetracked... Sometimes it is as you've described... It could be any number of things...

And maybe they're just not getting what they need... and feel that the 'leadership' isn't truly understanding or in tune with the congregation, or their own needs.

One size does not always fit all...