Could Barak Obama be the Anti Christ?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by shag

Luke 21:20 (which parallells Matt. 24:15)“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.

You don't believe this scripture was fullfilled in Ad 70, when Jerusulem was wiped out by the armies?

Shag, I know what history tells us. 70 AD happened. But saying that this event was the ultimate fulfillment of "what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world?" falls short. Did Jesus come as a result? Did the rapture take place? Did the world come to an end? Did "armies" surround Jerusalem or did an army, the Roman army surround Jeru in 70 AD? Zechariah talks of a Jerusalem that would be a cup of trembling to all nations and that He would return to defend her. Did that happen in 70 AD?

Never before could these prophecies be fulfilled for 1900 years until 1948. The potential for the world to come against Israel and Jerusalem is now a reality. The potential for a rebuilt Temple, for multinational armies taking action against individual nations, for global economies and a universal means to buy and sell, for global religion is here like never before.

70 AD happened. Jesus coming back didn't.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

My understanding of "heaven" and "earth" in relation to the given subject is derived from my many years of studying Judaism. What I believe originates from such sources. I do not think any serious student of the Bible would agree with your summation that biblical understanding can be likened to elementary education. If you believe this is the case, maybe that is why you cannot grasp what I am saying.

Try reading Mat 28:18. Then ask yourself; is Jesus only talking about the celestial and terrestrial?

Be blessed in your studies!

I grasp what you are saying. I don't believe what you are saying.

I pray for your blessing too.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I grasp what you are saying. I don't believe what you are saying.

I pray for your blessing too.

DB, if you don't mind, would you please explain on what basis you disagree? What verses do you use that show I am in error?

Thanks.

[aak1972]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

The Book of Revelation is John's detailed account of Jesus' Mount Olivet Discourse. I first saw this when it dawned on me that Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 each include Jesus’ words from that Mount, but nowhere do we find a peep mentioned about it in the gospel of John. Over and over I heard apostolic preachers say that Matthew 24 is the most significant prophecy chapter in our Bible. If that is the case (and I am not saying specifically that it is), then why didn't John—the disciple that Jesus greatly loved—include it as well? When I studied this through I realized that by comparing what Jesus taught in the Mount Olivet Discourse with what John included in the Book of Revelation, it is easy to see that John didn't just devote one chapter to Jesus’ sermon, but instead wrote an entire book detailing what Jesus had said would soon come to pass.

Because these prophecies are now past, Revelation is a detailed book of the history of what was and did come to pass during Jesus' generation. Revelation today is relevant because of the power of its testimony concerning its detailed and accurate fulfillment. To understand Jesus perfectly foretold—in detail—what would come to pass during His generation is a powerful witness that He is truly the Lord and Savior of all Mankind. Therefore the book of Revelation is very relevant for the Church today.

I have to disagree. If I remember correctly didnt John write Revelations while castaway? Also he mentions early in the book that he fell into a deep sleep and seen these things, not remembering things Jesus has preached.

[shag]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Shag, I know what history tells us. 70 AD happened. But saying that this event was the ultimate fulfillment of "what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world?" falls short. Did Jesus come as a result? Did the rapture take place? Did the world come to an end? Did "armies" surround Jerusalem or did an army, the Roman army surround Jeru in 70 AD? Zechariah talks of a Jerusalem that would be a cup of trembling to all nations and that He would return to defend her. Did that happen in 70 AD?

Never before could these prophecies be fulfilled for 1900 years until 1948. The potential for the world to come against Israel and Jerusalem is now a reality. The potential for a rebuilt Temple, for multinational armies taking action against individual nations, for global economies and a universal means to buy and sell, for global religion is here like never before.

70 AD happened. Jesus coming back didn't.

deacon blues,

I don't know jack didley about Zachariah and a cup of trembling, I'll look into it tho. I appreciate all you have to say concerning this subject, as I intend to try to find anwers to as many unanswered questions(that I have) as I can.

In my understanding,it seems to me that since the Temple building stones not being left on one another, did happen, as I believe you agree, in ad70, it must have been the fullfillment of scripture. If all the "signs" listed after speaking of the stones, were the prelude signs to know the "stone leveling" was come to pass, whether we saw the signs or not, the stones of the building got leveled, so wouldn't the "unstanding stones" be evidence/proof of the fullfillment of the signs listed afterwards in scripture?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by aak1972

I have to disagree. If I remember correctly didnt John write Revelations while castaway? Also he mentions early in the book that he fell into a deep sleep and seen these things, not remembering things Jesus has preached.

I am not sure what you are referring to. John began the Revelation of Jesus Christ by saying this:

Rev 1:1-3
(1) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
(2) Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
(3) Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

He concluded this book with these words:

Rev 22:6
(6) And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to show unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:10
(10) And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

John was shown what was to "shortly" take place, for the "time was at hand." He wrote this a few short years before the AD70 destruction. This was the same judgment mentioned in Mat 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. There are many more evidences that prove this. We can go through as many of these as you wish.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

TRF it all happened in 70 AD. We are now living in the "new earth"! Isn't that exciting. The new earth is here and its full of murder, corruption, child abuse and homosexuality. Isn't Christ's Kingdom wonderful????????

Many times children in the church do not realize the privilege they have or
had, to be born into a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar (purchased, possession). We should be showing forth the praises
of HIM who has called us out of darkness(the absence of light) into His
marvellous light: which in times past were not a people, but are now (presently) the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now(presently) have obtained mercy. (as in 1Peter 2:9,10)

In Rev.22:14,
"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to
the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and
idolaters, and whoseever loveth and maketh a lie".

I believe this is speaking symbolically of the city being the church (city on a hill)
and without the doors (gates) of the church is every conceivable evil. The Kingdom
of God is not a visible place, but is within us and provides safety from the evils of
this wicked generation. I am not speaking of going into the building (church) but as
obeying and doing his commandments. If we truly love Him, we will obey His commandments.
And His commandments are NOT grievous.

There is a major difference in being (physically) in the church building and
being in Christ. Surrounded by Him as a dot in a circle. Safe, secure in the
Shelter of His Presence and Power.
There is a reason the Word tells us that "everyone that saith unto me, Lord,
Lord is going to enter in".

The spirit of anti-christ not only denies Christ, but also desires to take the
place of Christ. Just as satan desired to be like the Most High.

Bro. Deaconblues, this is not directed to you personally but some thoughts,
and certainly are not to offend anyone, but to provoke thought.

Blessings,

Falla39

[A_PoMo]

I wonder why Luther nor Calvin ever wrote commentaries on Revelation?

If Obama is the anti-Christ then maybe TD Jakes is his prophet? Hmmmm? Maybe? TIC.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

if the AC were a US president he would definetly be a Republican

Dedicated Mind,
You may be speaking tongue in cheek, but you make it sound that to be
Republican is to be AC. A true Christian will have Christlike values and no
one will have to tell you what they are. They will tell you when they open
their mouth by what comes out!! Words out of our mouth come from our
mind/heart.
Not for offense.

Blessings,

Falla39

[shag]

Anybody know anything, or relative scripture, having to do with the dead bodies that came out of the graves and were walkin around, at the end the crucifixion? (in case it was spoken of outside of the gospels, that I'm unaware of)









(not sure how I'll link it to if Obama is the anitchrist or not.)