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08-29-2009, 11:57 PM
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Re: Mark Segraves
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Does anybody know where Mark Segraves is ministering at? Is he pastoring, evangelizing, or taking a break?
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As stated earlier in this thread....
Mark is currently assisting at Life Song in Stockton, CA. This church is pastored by James Byrd. James was born and raised in Stockton. Life Song (under a different name) was formerly a satellite (daughter work) of CLC . In 2001, James went autonomous and is no longer UPC.
DS left CLC to semi-retire. He teaches at UGST. He wanted to devote more time to writing and further study. One of the foremost theological libraries is located in the St. Louis area. Both he and his wife were raised in and around that area. He also travels teaching around the country. Currently he has not been traveling so much due to a medical condition with his wife. They currently attend "The Sanctuary" pastored by Scott Graham. This is not hearsay - straight from his mouth to my ears.
MS left CLC and was supposed to start a Home Missions work in the St. Louis area. He moved lock-stock-and-barrel from CA and was back within six months to assist at Life Song. His parents had no intentions of attending his church in MO on a regular basis - or helping him start the church. Again, this is not hearsay - straight from MS's mouth to my ears. I'm not sure that he really ever started anything in MO.
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08-30-2009, 04:05 AM
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Re: Mark Segraves
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As stated earlier in this thread....
Mark is currently assisting at Life Song in Stockton, CA. This church is pastored by James Byrd. James was born and raised in Stockton. Life Song (under a different name) was formerly a satellite (daughter work) of CLC . In 2001, James went autonomous and is no longer UPC.
DS left CLC to semi-retire. He teaches at UGST. He wanted to devote more time to writing and further study. One of the foremost theological libraries is located in the St. Louis area. Both he and his wife were raised in and around that area. He also travels teaching around the country. Currently he has not been traveling so much due to a medical condition with his wife. They currently attend "The Sanctuary" pastored by Scott Graham. This is not hearsay - straight from his mouth to my ears.
MS left CLC and was supposed to start a Home Missions work in the St. Louis area. He moved lock-stock-and-barrel from CA and was back within six months to assist at Life Song. His parents had no intentions of attending his church in MO on a regular basis - or helping him start the church. Again, this is not hearsay - straight from MS's mouth to my ears. I'm not sure that he really ever started anything in MO.
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Thank you, Sweat Pea, for giving us some clarity.
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04-25-2015, 10:39 AM
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Re: Mark Segraves
I know this is an ancient topic and hasn't been touched in years, but I'm popping it back up because Mark Segraves is starting a church on the far southeastern side of Phoenix in September 2015.
http://www.theencounterchurch.net
Here's Mark's own accounting of the church plant:
http://marksegraves.blogspot.com
I have to tell you I am NOT related to these guys and absolutely NOT doing promotion for them. They have no idea I exist. How I found the church was that I was surfing the map of church plants of an outfit called "Association of Related Churches" this morning. I was clicking on church plants in the Phoenix area and it was like, "Mark Segraves? I KNOW that name..." I did some digging and yep, it's the same Mark Segraves.
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04-25-2015, 11:49 AM
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Re: Mark Segraves
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Originally Posted by SiblingRevelry
I know this is an ancient topic and hasn't been touched in years, but I'm popping it back up because Mark Segraves is starting a church on the far southeastern side of Phoenix in September 2015.
http://www.theencounterchurch.net
Here's Mark's own accounting of the church plant:
http://marksegraves.blogspot.com
I have to tell you I am NOT related to these guys and absolutely NOT doing promotion for them. They have no idea I exist. How I found the church was that I was surfing the map of church plants of an outfit called "Association of Related Churches" this morning. I was clicking on church plants in the Phoenix area and it was like, "Mark Segraves? I KNOW that name..." I did some digging and yep, it's the same Mark Segraves. |
SR, thanks for sharing this update. I glanced over his "launch plan" and looks very well thought out. I am wondering if there is a nucleus of people already there wanting him to come that he will have to start with. I also wonder if Life Song is sponsoring his start up or any other church. EDIT: I just read his story about the church and see where Life Song gave them $50,000 as well as ARC.
He will be not too terribly far from where Phillip Goldbsberry pastors Christ Life Church in Tempe that was started by another pastor with deep UPC roots, Jim Roam, before he passed away.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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04-25-2015, 12:10 PM
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$250,000.00 is what it takes to start a church these days?
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04-25-2015, 04:54 PM
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Re: Mark Segraves
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$250,000.00 is what it takes to start a church these days?
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It only takes two believers and a Bible to start a Biblical church (and they can get the Bible later, actually). Now if you want a fancy, successful synagogue, well... you gotta shell out some dough.
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04-25-2015, 08:32 PM
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Re: Mark Segraves
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$250,000.00 is what it takes to start a church these days?
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There is more than one way to do something and I certainly don't begrudge anybody who has the ability to plan and raise money to start off not flat broke while trying to build a church.
People get too hung up on church government issues thinking things can only be done one way. As I have said before I think the New Testament is puirposefully vague on this subject because God wanted to allow each generation / culture to adapt for what would work for them.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-26-2015, 07:22 AM
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Re: Mark Segraves
What a curious thread...
Mark and Jeff are graceful and gifted leaders. When I want to know something about them, I contact them directly.
Otherwise, it sure is a long walk around the barn !!
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04-26-2015, 09:34 AM
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Re: Mark Segraves
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What a curious thread...
Mark and Jeff are graceful and gifted leaders. When I want to know something about them, I contact them directly.
Otherwise, it sure is a long walk around the barn !!
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Not really. The links to Mark's blog and church site, etc shared here gave plenty of information about what he is up to. If I called every stranger that was doing something I was interested in I would spend a lot of time on the phone with awkward telephone calls.
One can be curious as to what is going on in a situation and seek information from those that know without direct contact and there is nothing wrong with that.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-26-2015, 11:19 AM
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It only takes two believers and a Bible to start a Biblical church (and they can get the Bible later, actually). Now if you want a fancy, successful synagogue, well... you gotta shell out some dough.
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Right. It'll be interesting to see how they're doing in 5 years. These kind of churches are a dime a dozen around this area and many don't last long.
LifeChurch.tv (HQ'd in OK) tried starting a couple churches here years ago. They moved over 100 people here (50 paid staff members for each site). Both churches closed within a year or two.
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